Giant Waxy Monkey Frog help.

[irThumper]

Just wondering, as I have no Waxie experience, but is it normal for Waxies to sit hunched like that?

[andaroo]

Just wondering, as I have no Waxie experience, but is it normal for Waxies to sit hunched like that?

yes lol

[irThumper]

Good to know that's normal! I was reading about, I think it was Chytrid, recently (might have been red leg, but don't think so) and the article mentioned a constant "hunched position" as a sign.

[Diver]

This morning's update: I've removed the fogger and the fan has been set to switch on and off at random times to improve airflow. The cage is actually a shower enclosure with double glazed sides and a mesh roof. I can easily replace the front door with a screen door if this is the way to go although the humidity is now at 45%. My only concern is that pretty much all the care sheets I've looked at seem to recommend 60% (with one I just found relating to a zoo where they are kept at 65%). While they are waxies, unlike sauvagii they are not from the dry Chacoan region, and the waxy adaptation in bicolor may be more to do with being able to withstand the breezy conditions in the upper rainforest canopy. An area where the frog can move in and out of at will and tolerate these dryer conditions for longer while still able to move back to the more humid conditions lower down.
Anyway, that's just a thought and clearly these frogs can be kept in dry conditions without harm either way but presumably only if they are descending to a water source at night to hydrate. The two I have do NOT appear to be doing this or eating at present.
I've been using a video camera at night to monitor their behaviour, but a tape only lasts for 90 mins so nothing was certain, however I bought yesterday a ccty system with hard drive so I can now record a full night and watch it on fast forward to see what's happening. I've just done this and can confirm that last night they did not use the water bowl and they did not feed. There was some slight, brief movement, but this seemed to be relocation to possibly being nibbled by crickets (I keep a bowl of cricket food in there to help prevent this).
Just to stress, I am not concerned that as a species they don't move around much, this may or may not be the case naturally. My concern is that mine don't move at all to hydrate or feed.
I'll remove the substrate today and replace with paper towels to see if any pop shows up.
The slight movement last night enabled me to get some slightly better photos, they do appear dryer to me and one of them seems to have some skin partially sloughed and stuck:



















Incidentally Lija, what is the give away that makes the one in that fourth photo down female? And what do you think about the other one gender-wise?

Thanks again for all input!

[Lija]

Need pic that would show the profile of the frog, the line from the nose down the chin, not sideways or the angle, but like 4th pic. Be back on that. In females that line goes straight down like in that pic, in males it goes on an angle, chin is visibly more out.

dont like the excess shredded skin on one of them.

ok, can you the following , do electrolyte bath, 10 parts of water: 1 part of unflavoured pedyalite or whatever else you have in stores. Any pediatric unflavoured electrolyte solution would do. Keep in a bath no higher then frogs chin for 20 min. Warning.... They will hate every second of it!
The bath will help them with water exchange and will make them feel better after they're past the fact of a bath itself lol but do up at night, when the lights are off.

humidity, yes they need higher humidity then waxies, but it has to go with excellent airflow. Very similar to chameleons.

[irThumper]

Diver... a converted shower stall and a froggy surveillance system?? Man, you are hard core... I love it!

[Diver]

Diver... a converted shower stall and a froggy surveillance system?? Man, you are hard core... I love it!

Well I knew these were going to be difficult and I'm prepared to do absolutely anything to give them the best chance possible. From the research I'd done I knew a large enclosure was needed, I wasn't prepared for the complete lack of movement or any apparent will to live hence the surveillance system to remove and question or assumption about their activities.
Unfortunately last night's footage reveals that one didn't move a muscle and the other moved about 6 inches from the stalk she was sitting on to a piece of moss on the tree trunk at 6 this morning. Not good. Still no water or food being taken.
I have turned the fogger back on this morning to get the humidity back up to 60% as they're clearly not hydrating themselves. I've also changed the timer on the fan to come on less frequently. I'm heading to the pharmacy this morning to see what I can buy for an electrolyte bath (we don't have Pedyalite over here).

[Lija]

Good to know that's normal! I was reading about, I think it was Chytrid, recently (might have been red leg, but don't think so) and the article mentioned a constant "hunched position" as a sign.

That is definitely normal lol