Stressed/nervous frogs.

[irThumper]

Well I phoned the vets this week with the last weights and the vet we see was off but they were going to let him know this coming Monday so fingers crossed.
Also the smaller one-Bee started croaking last night The larger one Ninja has always croaked, then last night he got a little tiny response. Bee has been very shy all week then when I came in from work last night he was out and I thought it was it was Ninja as he was so big, but then I saw Ninja (he is very much set on staying brown whereas Bee is mostly green) on another leaf next to him.

They both seem to go shy (hardly come out) and not eat so much when they are shedding, they pop out for a soak in the water bowl but seem to have no appetite for a few days, then the next time you see them they look bigger.

That's funny because when we had Pacific chorus frogs they did the same exact thing. When you'd see them out again they'd be ready to snarf down any cricket that got in their way. When the regular vet is back in be sure to ask him all those questions posted above!

[Lija]

Haven't seen this before.
That is a complete bs! I've treated frogs that are 1g, you just need to calculate dosage and ask lab to make a solution in needed concentration.
to reduce stress you need to cover all sides of the enclosure for the treatment period, and they both have to be in separate qt tanks and tanks have to be fully desinfected every single day. There is no way around it.

[irThumper]

Haven't seen this before.
That is a complete bs! I've treated frogs that are 1g, you just need to calculate dosage and ask lab to make a solution in needed concentration.
to reduce stress you need to cover all sides of the enclosure for the treatment period, and they both have to be in separate qt tanks and tanks have to be fully desinfected every single day. There is no way around it.

I know, that didn't make a whit of sense to me either! And in fact I question whether or not they even have lung worm after hearing that... he needs to provide proof of what they have, what they have already been treated with, and make an account of himself as to why the heck he's not treating them now for said supposed lung worm!

Lija, what's that about the Dart frogs? Herpers with Darts have to RELINQUISH them?? Why!? Everyone should sign this, no matter where they are from. Going to go share this on FB.

[Lija]

Lisa, idiots from fish and wildlife decided just because these frogs are called poisonous they should be banned. No consults with scientific community, no warning, no nothing, they send 45 days notice. There is not a single reported case of being poisoned by anyone other then phyllobates, that they baned long ago. They do excrete poison', that may cause some reaction to humans, but only in a wild, after 3-6 months in captivity they are losing it completely. Cb poses absolutely no danger to anyone, unless may be you can choke if you eat it.... So dont eat frogs, dk t stick them in your nose and you should be just fine lol

they are about to euthanize thousands of endagered or critically endangered frogs taken from people's homes.
Its just a beggining, their colleagues from ontario were about to ban all snakes over 50cm and hamsters....... Im not kidding... Yes you are reading it correctly.... Hamsters, ball pythons, corn snakes, etc and only because of people supporting the cause it was no go and people are still making fun of them.

They better focus on creating jobs, support communities and helping people who need it.

Please share with everybody you can!

p.s. Sorry for off topic on a topic though... It's hard to miss lungworms ( Strongyloides), they are very typical looking. So if they are diagnosed, most likely that's true. Why frogs were not treated immediately is not exactly understandable. most protozoa are commensal and very rarely require treatment,of course if they are causing problems or are in excessive amounts then yes, you should treat, but that doesnt sound like was a case.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

I think that the governments hate animals, practically all of them! California has done NOUTHING about the California Tiger Salamander practically! They know that they are being threatened by hybrids, and loss of habitat, but they sit there, twiddling their thumbs about "other things!"

[irThumper]

Lisa, idiots from fish and wildlife decided just because these frogs are called poisonous they should be banned. No consults with scientific community, no warning, no nothing, they send 45 days notice. There is not a single reported case of being poisoned by anyone other then phyllobates, that they baned long ago. They do excrete poison', that may cause some reaction to humans, but only in a wild, after 3-6 months in captivity they are losing it completely. Cb poses absolutely no danger to anyone, unless may be you can choke if you eat it.... So dont eat frogs, dk t stick them in your nose and you should be just fine lol

they are about to euthanize thousands of endagered or critically endangered frogs taken from people's homes.
Its just a beggining, their colleagues from ontario were about to ban all snakes over 50cm and hamsters....... Im not kidding... Yes you are reading it correctly.... Hamsters, ball pythons, corn snakes, etc and only because of people supporting the cause it was no go and people are still making fun of them.

They better focus on creating jobs, support communities and helping people who need it.

Please share with everybody you can!

p.s. Sorry for off topic on a topic though... It's hard to miss lungworms ( Strongyloides), they are very typical looking. So if they are diagnosed, most likely that's true. Why frogs were not treated immediately is not exactly understandable. most protozoa are commensal and very rarely require treatment,of course if they are causing problems or are in excessive amounts then yes, you should treat, but that doesnt sound like was a case.

HAMSTERS??? Unfreakinbelievable... of course I think California banned Gerbils down in the states, didn't they?? O_o That's nuts though! Here all these frogs (and other species of animals) are disappearing world wide and they want to do something so stupid, *shakes head*

Ok, so Strongyloides are Lung worms? And Strongyles are gastrointestinal worms? Because if that's the case then Lucy and Martha have Lung worms too, as I was told they tested positive for Strongyloides I've put off treating them because I had to wait for the Ivermectin to be compounded to an oral suspension, then I got sick and didn't want to try force feeding them the med while I was feeling like crud and shaky... they are both off their feed, Lucy more so than Martha, should I just try and get some help and not wait longer to medicate them...? Guh, so much parasite sorting to do! I grabbed a fresh sample right out of Lucy the other day and got it on a slide under a microscope a lab tech friend of my dad's loaned him... LOADED! It was just a fresh smear, damp soft poo, no saline used... I looked first under 10x objective and then 20x... it was like a traffic rush of teeny tiny itty bitty things swimming around that I couldn't tell what the heck they were, saw one stationary ova of some kind (need a chart of frog specific parasites) and I saw some clear thin walled oblong shaped things oozing around (I couldn't tell if anything was inside these things) but then there was this bigger rounder blob which had stuff inside it, and it also was oozing it's way around and squeezing in and out of the sections on the slide separated by air bubbles or fecal matter. I was floored! I seriously need to get my hands on a fecalizer kit so I can do a float and look for eggs & oocysts and so on. Fascinating, but scary too, not knowing what is what and what is bad and what is ok-- I want a microscope with a camera so I can get pics and vids of these things!

[Lija]

Lisa... You are and me are gotta have a chat! Lol why in earth did you make oral suspension of ivomec? Do you really Love to force feed? It absorbs into the blood stream, that's how it works, so either way it will have the same results.

now... I very strongly suggest you really reconsider what are you doing with your life, cos I'm totally convinced you should be a vet!
had to say what were you seeing, but these nutty swimming things were most likely protozoa, oblong things are probably lungworms and round eggs are pinworms.... It's plainly a guess without seeing anything
are you saying your frogs have all of the above? Very nice!

[irThumper]

Lisa... You are and me are gotta have a chat! Lol why in earth did you make oral suspension of ivomec? Do you really Love to force feed? It absorbs into the blood stream, that's how it works, so either way it will have the same results.

now... I very strongly suggest you really reconsider what are you doing with your life, cos I'm totally convinced you should be a vet!
had to say what were you seeing, but these nutty swimming things were most likely protozoa, oblong things are probably lungworms and round eggs are pinworms.... It's plainly a guess without seeing anything
are you saying your frogs have all of the above? Very nice!

Ah! Oh well, heh. Actually it was the vet's idea (the fur kid vet with the pet Beardie), lol. If you knew how wretchedly horrible my math skills are you'd know why I'm not a vet or a tech or something similar! I bet those damn little bitty boogers are giardia maybe... Lucy apparently tested positive for antibodies of giardia but they didn't see any on the fecal exam. HOWEVER this was like less than a minute from out of the frog to the slide, so a turbo poo test! Everything all nice and juicy and alive-- yeesh! Ok, well I'm willing to bet those oblong clear blobs ARE the Lung worms then, since she tested positive for strongyloides. As for the other stuff, no one said she had anything else she needed to be treated for, so who knows. Ivermectin should clear most stuff up though, right? Now, will the Ivermectin work on giardia though or should I medicate her separately with the Metro or Panacur instead? I've been trying to cram so much info I think it's leaking out of my ears... I do think I read that Panacur works well to get rid of giardia though.

The vet doesn't test in house yet as he's needing to get a microscope... so I have a foot up on him, I just need to learn what the heck I'm lookin at! HEHE! I'm going to see if my dad can help me medicate the girls, if he's going to just freak out on me over it I'd best wait though. I don't want a frog getting squeezed or having an eye poked out, flexible catheter or not!

[Bee]

Haven't seen this before.
That is a complete bs! I've treated frogs that are 1g, you just need to calculate dosage and ask lab to make a solution in needed concentration.
to reduce stress you need to cover all sides of the enclosure for the treatment period, and they both have to be in separate qt tanks and tanks have to be fully desinfected every single day. There is no way around it.

Thank you for your response but I'd just like to say I'm not trying to get around it.
They will be in separate tanks once treatment for the lung worms start. The only reason they are not in them now is they haven't started treatment yet and I didn't want to stress them by moving them out of their usual environment into quarantine tanks before they had to be.