Stressed/nervous frogs.

[Bee]

1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species) Whites tree frog
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" ) 45x45x60 (60 is height) also these measurements in cm not inches, 18x18x24 in inches
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? ) whites tree frog , alittle smaller
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate both frogs bought together from same tank in shop
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined no
8----what is the typical humidity level 55-65
9----what temperature is maintained 27-28 degrees celcius
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure 2 heat mats on back of tank, exo-terra desert type.
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically) 1 5.0 exoterra repti glow uv light, on for 12hrs a day
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc) water changed everyday while they are sleeping, using reptisafe and standing for 24hrs. they rarely poo in the water, so poos picked up from substrate/plants daily.
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting tap water, treated with repti safe and stood for 24hrs
-----for the frog's soaking dish as above
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand repti safe
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific eco earth coco substrate, dried blocks that grow in water
15---enclosure set up: 1 large piece of cork bark cover alot of tank, 1 java wood branch, 1 large water bowl, 2 live plants.
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned whn first bought very hot water and same again to wipe down glass when it ges grubby
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric a real bromeliad, a real flamingo flower, 3 silk plants that hang that they sleep behind
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials eco earth
16---when is the last time the frog ate yesterday
17---have you found poop lately yes if not always everyday, then definately every other.
18---how often is the frog fed daily
19---what size feeder is given medium locusts
20---what other feeders are used as treats once a month they have 2/3 waxworms each, also eat the woodlice put in the tank for cleaning
21---what is the frog's main food source locusts
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed roam free but any not eaten taken out he next morning and put back in their tub to eat/drink themselves
23---vitamins - what brand and how often calcium and multivitamin in one, brand:Advanced nutircal by komodo (every other day)
24---calcium - what brand and how often as above
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time (not since being brought home, and was told shop dusted food.
26---approximate age of the frog larger one croaking so both possibly 1 year or less.
27---how long have you owned the frog 2months
28---who cared for the frog before you staff in shop
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred captive
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves) once a week since starting to weigh, otherwise never, wet latex gloves used.
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area kept in living room, only 2 of us live here, no visitors.
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no) no brought them both home together from same tank and staright into their tank.
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication: yes
-----for what excess protozoa
-----name of medication unsure but calling the vet Monday to find out.
-----for how long one dose
-----what dose unsure will find out
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet yes

Posting this here as I didn't want to make a new thread and confuse anyone. Will try and get some pictures up, especially some of when we first brought them home to now as size difference is noticeable (well to me anyway )

[Bee]

Also just wanted to add that all live plants taken out of original soil and pots, washed off completely in very hot water, replanted in eco earth substrate.

[irThumper]

Everything sounds pretty good to me! I'd switch to powder free latex free nitrile or vinyl gloves though, just in case the frogs may be sensitive to latex like some people are.

Very interested in seeing what the vet has to say about things regarding the treatments they've had and the lungworm-- don't let him brush anything off either, you're paying good money and are entitled to complete disclosure and record copies on what is being done, has been done, or is planned to be done to your frogs.

[Bee]

Well I phoned the vets this week with the last weights and the vet we see was off but they were going to let him know this coming Monday so fingers crossed.
Also the smaller one-Bee started croaking last night The larger one Ninja has always croaked, then last night he got a little tiny response. Bee has been very shy all week then when I came in from work last night he was out and I thought it was it was Ninja as he was so big, but then I saw Ninja (he is very much set on staying brown whereas Bee is mostly green) on another leaf next to him.

They both seem to go shy (hardly come out) and not eat so much when they are shedding, they pop out for a soak in the water bowl but seem to have no appetite for a few days, then the next time you see them they look bigger.

[irThumper]

Well I phoned the vets this week with the last weights and the vet we see was off but they were going to let him know this coming Monday so fingers crossed.
Also the smaller one-Bee started croaking last night The larger one Ninja has always croaked, then last night he got a little tiny response. Bee has been very shy all week then when I came in from work last night he was out and I thought it was it was Ninja as he was so big, but then I saw Ninja (he is very much set on staying brown whereas Bee is mostly green) on another leaf next to him.

They both seem to go shy (hardly come out) and not eat so much when they are shedding, they pop out for a soak in the water bowl but seem to have no appetite for a few days, then the next time you see them they look bigger.

That's funny because when we had Pacific chorus frogs they did the same exact thing. When you'd see them out again they'd be ready to snarf down any cricket that got in their way. When the regular vet is back in be sure to ask him all those questions posted above!

[Lija]

Haven't seen this before.
That is a complete bs! I've treated frogs that are 1g, you just need to calculate dosage and ask lab to make a solution in needed concentration.
to reduce stress you need to cover all sides of the enclosure for the treatment period, and they both have to be in separate qt tanks and tanks have to be fully desinfected every single day. There is no way around it.

[irThumper]

Haven't seen this before.
That is a complete bs! I've treated frogs that are 1g, you just need to calculate dosage and ask lab to make a solution in needed concentration.
to reduce stress you need to cover all sides of the enclosure for the treatment period, and they both have to be in separate qt tanks and tanks have to be fully desinfected every single day. There is no way around it.

I know, that didn't make a whit of sense to me either! And in fact I question whether or not they even have lung worm after hearing that... he needs to provide proof of what they have, what they have already been treated with, and make an account of himself as to why the heck he's not treating them now for said supposed lung worm!

Lija, what's that about the Dart frogs? Herpers with Darts have to RELINQUISH them?? Why!? Everyone should sign this, no matter where they are from. Going to go share this on FB.

[Bee]

Haven't seen this before.
That is a complete bs! I've treated frogs that are 1g, you just need to calculate dosage and ask lab to make a solution in needed concentration.
to reduce stress you need to cover all sides of the enclosure for the treatment period, and they both have to be in separate qt tanks and tanks have to be fully desinfected every single day. There is no way around it.

Thank you for your response but I'd just like to say I'm not trying to get around it.
They will be in separate tanks once treatment for the lung worms start. The only reason they are not in them now is they haven't started treatment yet and I didn't want to stress them by moving them out of their usual environment into quarantine tanks before they had to be.