March MOTM - Lisa (irThumper)

[irThumper]

A local pet store (independent)...







Hmm, had some vids of more frogs than just that first guy (anyone know if he's a Litoria Infrefrenata or a Cuban??) Will have to find those and post them.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

I have seen the video before and it's a White-Lipped

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Hey, the thread has 100 posts now! Let's keep it going!

[irThumper]

Lol, I do tend to drag things on... Another doctor appointment today so will continue when I get back!

[irThumper]

News! Shirley, Honey-Lime and Jelly Bean all tested negative on their last fecals! (Last 2-3 actually), so can finally get out of QT and go into their nice big communal tank together-- finally!

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Please post the pictures!!

[irThumper]

Please post the pictures!!

Will be doing this once my cold bug is all over but I definitely will!

I know one thing, they will get to keep their beloved PVC hide, and likely get another to boot, lol

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

So cute!!

[irThumper]

After that news flash, back to my frog poop story... lol.

To recap, I purchase my first two WTFs, Shirley and Honey-Lime, on Oct 1, 2014. They settled into their new home well, ate their crickets (though I think the ones Petco told me they had been eating were too big for them), they soaked, shed, I'd found poo in the container I brought them home in so figured all was well... then a few days later I noticed that Honey-Lime had runny poo; hmmm... I'd never had a frog with diarrhea before, so didn't know if this was something normal for WTFs due to too many crickets, or the supplements or what, but Shirley didn't have runny poo, so I wondered about that. A couple weeks went by a Honey's poo wasn't always runny, but it wasn't firm either, and I started noticing that Shirley's poo was getting softer now as well... plus there was this gelatinous stuff, which I found out on FrogForum was a classic sign of coccidiosis. Not good.

Shirley and normal poop


Honey-Lime's abnormal poop



I found a herp vet online who would do a fecal test for me, so I sent a sample off from Honey and Shirley's tank. I figured since Jelly Bean and sHEila were having normal poop that I would NOT need to test them (another learning curve). Well the fecal test came back positive for coccidiosis all right, and the vet told me to treat everyone, including Jelly and sHEila, with Metronidazole oral suspension. That's when I learned how to weigh a frog using a digital kitchen scale...


...To be continued (Next: Learning how to medicate frogs-- another BIG learning curve!)

[LilyPad]

Great news! I'm glad things are going well! They certainly have chubbed out quite a bit

[irThumper]

(I'd be posting way more pics way faster if not for the glitch by the way... ugh. Takes forever to get everything into Photobucket, and that won't load more than one at a time for me, bleh!)

Here's a Lucy Blue-Eyes slideshow off Photobucket, it says they are doing maintenance over there so hope this works!


LUCY BLUE-EYES Slideshow by irthumper | Photobucket

[irThumper]

Martha, WTF Wannabe Pacman Frog, Turned Cricket Ninja!

[irThumper]

Great news! I'm glad things are going well! They certainly have chubbed out quite a bit

Thanks! Oh definitely... some of them, like Martha (who was always fat actually) and Jelly Bean, TOO much! They definitely need diets, or frogercize, or both... lol

Jelly Bean Uber Pudge

[irThumper]

...Continued:

Learning curves galore... learning how to medicate frogs!

Like mentioned before, I had to learn how to weigh the frogs, then I had to figure out how to get the meds INTO the frogs... they were so small I was terrified to try and force feed it to them :/ (Thanks to Nicole and Jabba froggy for the tip on the blunt end needles though, keeping that idea for the future!) After more research and advice I decided to try to inject the Metronidazole/Flagyl into waxworms and then feed them to the frogs-- easier said than done! I was using a small 1.0ml syringe and to start was using a 16g needle (I think) and I had a heck of a time injecting those blasted worms. I found if you tried to inject them while they were still cold out of the fridge that they were flat and not plumped out... I stuck myself in the darn finger more than once, or jabbed two holes in the worm so the meds leaked out. I went to a 20g needle and that poked a better entry hole, I also waited for the worms to warm up and start moving, then I could hold them in a way that helped get the needle inserted (wish I had that on video, maybe one of these days). I also learned that 0.04ml of Metro is the extent you can inject into one appx 1" waxworm without the med leaking out from the entry hole (be careful not to squeeze the worm after injecting too!) now, by comparison, Panacur is a thicker medication, so won't take 0.04ml; I had to inject between 0.02-0.03ml of Panacur into the waxworms and feed more of them to get the right dose. The first week of medicating I was a hand shaking cursing mess injecting the worms... there were air bubbles to contend with, or the amount of med I had to give so small (0.02ml for Jelly Bean) that I couldn't get it from the needle into the worm, sticking myself, guh, it was a disaster. The next week I got the smaller needle and things were a bit better; I was supposed to treat them with Metro once a week for three weeks initially, BUT I didn't calculate that I should weight the guys EVERY week before medicating, as they were growing (though it wasn't really noticeable at first because their growth rate was slowed due to the parasites apparently) so that first three week session was pretty much a wash-- they were still showing clinical symptoms, and they had almost doubled their weight in a month, so the treatment extended to 9 weeks total. I know how to inject waxworms pretty darn good now, for the most part. As I posted earlier, my original guys are now clear of coccidia and hookworm-- that's after multiple fecals from the first mail in source AND with 2nd opinions from 2 different sources... one which has become our new go-to vet. Even though he is a fur kid vet, he's also a herp owner (Beardie) and he was willing to run the fecals and use video and pics of my frogs so I didn't have to stress them by bringing them in (though he is close so if I had to I would). I'm definitely going to foster and encourage this vet relationship, and I have given him a flashdrive with all my frog medical research so far, lol! He seems to know his parasites and medications at any rate (I bet his Beardie is thanks to that!) and am glad I took the chance of checking in with him.

Next: The video I gave our new vet of our frogs. (I also gave him a bunch of pics of each one so he could see what they looked like from the time we got them up to now. I included the video with Shirley's scary bloody mess, and video of my poor sHEila's prolapse, just so he could see what we've been dealing with) and video showing what products I use for our froggles, including feeders-- and something that surprised the heck out of me as far as feeders go!

[irThumper]

In the meantime... more pics of our PCF friends:

[irThumper]

Here's the vid I gave our new vet (not including the tons of extra pics, lol)

PS: This edition doesn't have the mystery stuff from Shirley or the prolapse from sHEila... pretty graphic stuff so I'll post that separately if anyone wants to see it :/



Our WTFs care supplies, etc...

[irThumper]

Baby Shirley and Honey-Lime's very first video!

[irThumper]

Tried to post Jelly Bean and sHEila's first vid last night but my film editor crashed... grr! Going to go try that again

Ok, it's a long compilation and I have to edit it down all over again, so in the meantime will post some short vids...

[irThumper]

"Get out of my spot!"

[Frogman1031]

Can't wait to see a communal tank for all your white's! Your frogs have such personality ! I just love them!