Is this normal?

[MrsNoah]

This is our class pet, Limon. When I came in this morning, he was enormously bloated! Should I be concerned?

[Frogman1031]

Welcome to the frog forum!

That is a serious case of bloat! I recommend getting in contact with a vet.

Answering these questions may also help is figure out what caused the bloat.

1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

[monster]

Yes I would be concerned, he is going to need to see a vet. But if you can answer those questions like Eli had suggested someone may be able to help you get rid of some of the bloat and make him feel abit more comfortable till you can get him checked out. What kind of water do you use to expand his substrate and put in his water dish?

[MatthewM1]

Try a nice luke warm soak and see if the bloating goes down after urinating. If after urinating the bloating doesn't go down, or the frog bloats back up shortly after I would highly consider a herp vet.

[DVirginiana]

Something is causing this; to help us figure out what you'll need to answer the Trouble in the Enclosure questions that have already been posted. There's a good chance you may need to see a vet.

Are you treating the water you expand the substrate and fill the water dish with (like you would for a fishtank)? If you haven't been, you'll need to change the substrate for some that is expanded with treated water. Use treated water for soaking too; if you don't it'll just exacerbate the problem.
But you can try a soak in lukewarm treated water with a few drops of honey stirred in (no deeper than the frog's chin level).

[MrsNoah]

Try a nice luke warm soak and see if the bloating goes down after urinating. If after urinating the bloating doesn't go down, or the frog bloats back up shortly after I would highly consider a herp vet.

Thank you, Matthew!
I watched him all morning and he finally burrowed back in his substrate. I will keep watching him and take him to our vet if he doesn't improve.

Lisa

[MrsNoah]

Thank you, DVirginiana!
I have never treated his water. I let it sit out for 24 hours before putting it in his bowl. He spends most of his time buried in the substrate. He only comes out to eat and soak once a week or so.
I will keep watching him!

Lisa

[MrsNoah]

Thank you, Eli! This is great information! Most of the list doesn't apply to Limon, but it gives me great detail to pay attention to!
I appreciate your feedback!

Lisa

[MrsNoah]

Thank you, Cory! I will watch him and take him to the vet if the bloating doesn't go away. I don't use treated water. I just leave it out for 24 hours before putting it in his bowl.

Lisa

[LilyPad]

Thank you, Cory! I will watch him and take him to the vet if the bloating doesn't go away. I don't use treated water. I just leave it out for 24 hours before putting it in his bowl.

Lisa

That is not good, chloramines do not gas off, it needs to be treated. Many of us here use seachem prime to treat our water. I'm not sure how most of the list does not apply to him, all of the questions there are important and relevant to his health.

[DVirginiana]

You need to answer all the questions.

DON'T soak him in untreated water, that will just make the bloating worse. He is toxing out right now by the looks of things. You need to go out and get something like SeaChem Prime from your local petstore like Amy said, IMMEDIATELY treat water with it and use it to expand new substrate for him and for his water dish. If you don't, you'll be looking at a dead frog soon.

Also, can you get a picture of his whole tank? It may just be the angle, but it looks REALLY small in that pic.

[Thevacantface]

Answer the trouble in the enclosure questions

Always treat his water and change it often.

Other things that may be contributing would be an infection, which you would need to treat immediately, or the temps might be too low. Make sure his enclosure is in the low 80s during the day, and high 70s at night.

I really hope he gets better.

[MatthewM1]

Its very likely your not treating the water is whats causeing this. Like LilyPad said, chloramines do not evaporate. Also water conditioners neutralize heavy metals in the water that are also harmful to frogs over time.

[MrsNoah]

I meant that most of the list did not apply because he doesn't have any tank mates and I don't do any of the things on the list. He has never been to a vet yet and all has been good for 3 years in the current conditions. I will make mecessary changes per your advice. Thank you!

Lisa

[Frogman1031]

By, "not doing any of the things on the list" does that mean your frog has gone three years without sufficient calcium and vitamins? I strongly advise that you answer all questions even if they don't apply as it will greatly assist us in assisting you

[Frogger00]

1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

I shortened it for you, please answer them? I know it's a long list of questions, but if you want to help your frog then you need to help us help you




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[monster]

If you have not been using vitamins this is very good brand. And if you haven't I would go out as soon as you can and pick these up and get some into him, this is what i give my pacman and he loves it.

[Yuri352]

Maybe this will help.
Once every 3-4 days, my frog changing water.
Usually frog has just such a form.



And after spraying water, urination occurs and the Frog here takes this form.
(Spraying water - stimulates urination).


It's just a water reserve.

[MrsNoah]

Thanx, Cory! I do use that calcium. I will look for the vitamins. He is feeling much better today. He's back to normal size! Yay!��

[MrsNoah]

Limon is a pacman frog.I don't have another picture if his enclosure but it's about 5 gallonsI don't know the humidity levelIt's room temperature and he has a heat/uv lamp above him all the timeHe has a water bowl -I don't treat the waterHe is always buried under the substrate so I keep that oust for himThere is nothing else, plant or animal, living in the tankHe eats one adult (frozen) mouse cakcium covered about once a weekHe just ate Sunday and then bloated on Monday He poops regularlyWe don't hold him at all I'm his only owner He has never been to the vet and he's never had medicationHope that gives you what you wanted to know! He is much better today! Back to normal size! Yay!��