White's Tree Frog sick behavior? Pics*

[teslas intern]

The easiest way to increase humidity is having standing water and or moist substrate in the tank. I keep my substrate moist enough that I don't even need to mist to keep the humidity up to reasonable levels, but keep in mind I use a clay based substrate so it doesn't decompose... It sounds like you maintain your tank regularly so I'd say go ahead and dump some water in your substrate, and use a slightly deeper layer that will hold more water. Also is look into leaf litter for covering the substrate, it will look more natural and help keep froggies clean, as it doesn't stick to their skin. Best of luck!

[Lija]

Hm... That doesn't look good at all, glad you found a vet, what antibiotics are you using?
To increase humidity you just need to adjust your tank a bit, you don't have to have standing water, in fact it's very dangerous to have standing water, its equal bacterial infections and much more.

What is your current humidity? Temps? What type of water do you use? Have you seen the poop lately and how did it look?

for qt tank, I see you put papertowel on a back, you need to out a bigger plant in there, and cover all sides of a tank. This way you eliminate a stress factor and it will help him heal.

I have a few more suggestions here, but I'll wait fir you to answer my qs.

[SamanthaFox]

Hm... That doesn't look good at all, glad you found a vet, what antibiotics are you using?
To increase humidity you just need to adjust your tank a bit, you don't have to have standing water, in fact it's very dangerous to have standing water, its equal bacterial infections and much more.

What is your current humidity? Temps? What type of water do you use? Have you seen the poop lately and how did it look?

for qt tank, I see you put papertowel on a back, you need to out a bigger plant in there, and cover all sides of a tank. This way you eliminate a stress factor and it will help him heal.

I have a few more suggestions here, but I'll wait fir you to answer my qs.

HI--thanks for suggestions. I just can't get the humidity up in my new tank. I bought some sphagnum moss and sprayed it today. I was thinking I should get a heating lamp since my UVB light isn't a warming one.

As far as the quarantine: The RX is amikacin. The vet gave him his 4th shot of it today and she said she thinks he looks much better and to do the electrolyte soak only every other day. He still isn't really eating. I think in the past almost 2 weeks, he has eaten 1 cricket. I tried to tempt him with a waxworm today (first time ever) no luck. I will try tonight. Since being in qt he has only pooped once, a week ago, after his first appt/shot. It looked normal. I typically use bottled drinking purified water, but his soak is distilled with the electrolyte powder dissolved. I will get him more cover in the quarantine tank. He is still so active and seems to like the warmth of my hand (i wear gloves and it's only when moving him to do the soak). The qt humidity is 50%, and temp is 71 degrees. I am anxious to put him in the new cage with his buddy because it has a lot more cover and I think he will like it. But I will wait til the meds are finished.

Any other tips for temp/humidity are welcome. On the large tank with the other frog, I have a heating pad on one side but the temp (gauge is on opposite lower corner) only varies from 72-75 degrees. The humidity is only 25% in that one and that's with me covering half the top of the screen with siran wrap and towel, with the damp moss, and a running water filter/waterfall thing. I was thinking maybe its because this tank has the front opening doors and more air is getting in?

[Lija]

No, take the moss out, it's an impaction risk.

humidity/temps - what are you using to measure them?

To increase humidity you just need to cover more screen top. You can completely cover the top with foil ( it helps with temps better then wrap.), then cut the hole for the lamp, diameter of lamp + a little bit. Duck tape the foil to the screen cover, from outside, this way it's more stable.

but before ou do anything make sure your temps/humidity are actually off, if you use analog gauges they are very well known to show whatever.

does the poop look normal? Have you ever did fecal testing?

Was the frog ever in the new tank? You need more sitting spots ( branches) some more leafy hanging things on a sides to make them well more comfortable.

Have another suggestion - get some reptiboost ( reptiaid ) by fluckers, dust his food with it. That thing is really good to get them better.

[SamanthaFox]

I took the moss out. So much contradiction among sources online. I didn't like the moss anyway though--what a mess.

I will try the foil thing and possibly a heat lamp. For the new cage, I am using a digital hygrometer so it's probably accurate. As for the qt, I only yesterday took the old analog gauges out of the garage where the humidity read 10%--so I am pretty sure it's accurate since it now says 60%.

Nico has only pooped one time since being quarantined and it looked totally normal. Have not done fecal testing but I trust the doc we are taking him to, and she will see him tomorrow for another shot. Nico was never in the new tank.

I will pick up some reptiboost. Thanks for suggestions--what is you opinion on waxworms? I usually only feed him crickets but he doesn't seem interested. I tried putting a waxworm dangling in front of him--he wasn't interested. I don't know how he is so alert only having eaten one small cricket in the past 2 weeks.

[Lija]

Fecal testing in your case I don't think is absolutely needed, but it's better to do that for both frogs to be sure and have a piece of mind. Worms are not a reason for your problem. Usually that test is done when you just get frogs.

waxworms are great for your sick one, they are fattening and just what the guy need. When you take him to a vet, im sure she'll assess the situation. Ask her about if you need to force feed him, its easier to see that in person how bad the shape is and if he needs to be stuffed asap or it still can wait.

Usually sick frogs don't eat, just like humans, when you're sick you dont really hungry, the problem with that is without nutrition the immune system and all systems really are starting to shut down, the body just don't have enough strength to fight what it needs to and we have to resort to force feeding, your vet should assess if a frog is there or not yet. Ask about it.

Moss - yes in theory it should increase humidity, but do anything for a bigger tank you need to have tons of it and keep it moist at all the time ( not happening ). Moss if ingested is one of the main impaction reasons. Even if you feed in a separate cage, the frog might ingest it while shedding. So really potential benefits are minor when you risk dealing with impaction in frogs. Better be safe then sorry.

Yes, try foil and cover more, if you still not getting it, then perhaps you should either invest in a fogger or mist the tank more.

[irThumper]

HI there Thumper---I was ironically watching your youtube videos last night. I have to say, I loved hearing your enthusiasm when you talk to your froggies. It's so cute! It was oddly comforting to watch those last night. BTW--what happened to your sHEila?

Hi again, Samantha! Commented on your reply on YouTube My poor sHEila and his friends came to me from Petco having parasites and while I was going through treatment for them he prolapsed... the issue resolved itself twice but the third time it didn't and he had to be put down, *sniff* I miss that little guy so much!

[SamanthaFox]

Just a quick update--I tried giving Nico the reptiboost stuff dissolved in water and using the doser they gave but he wouldn't open his mouth and got angry and peed on me. I put some of the reptiboost powder on 3 waxworms and left them in his cage overnight. When I checked on him once last night, his eyes were big and black (alert) so I used a youtube vid of croaking frogs to get him to respond which he did! I didn't see the waxworms today so I thought either he ate them or the 2 roaming crickets did. We took him to the vet for his 5th shot today and she said he still had some edema, and that if he doesn't eat by monday, she will have to tube-feed him

We just got home and I put in a new duo-lamp that has a warming bulb (75w) and a UVB bulb. While cleaning out the qt tank, I saw the 3 waxworms under some paper towel so they weren't eaten at all. I took the crickets out, and put 4 very small "superworms" in a dish with that reptiboost powder + a little water. The 3 waxworms are still in there too. He seemed agitated when I put him back in and his thighs looked pretty red..darker than I have seen. While he was in the travel carrier on the wall, I thought his belly looked pretty good--less red and more white. But when he stretches his legs out they looked red. I am hoping it was just because I was handling him. It's been over 2 weeks since he has really eaten and yet he seems pretty active.

btw---that reptiboost STINKS bad! I also bought a leafy fake plant at the pet store to give him more hiding spots in the qt tank.

I use a red light on the main cage at night but even with that on, I wasn't seeing the other frog (Peenuhlope) move from her spot at the top of the tank so I turned off all the lights and put foil on half the screen like you said. As soon as I went upstairs, I heard it croaking--I think it was happy to have no lights for once. What do you all use at night and why? Also, I think the foil has helped a bit with the humidity; it has since ranged between 35-55% humidity. Its a start.

I really hope Nico is on the mend and not dying. He doesn't seem lethargic which is good. I will leave him be for the rest of the day to sleep, and maybe try to feed him and soak him in the electrolyte water tonight after church. I will try to get some pictures too.