Small lump on Whites Tree Frog?

[Snappi13]

That's great! I'm glad to hear that hope all stays well!

[mpmistr]

Bad news unfortunately, the lump is back again, same size but in a different spot on the back. This frog is not eating, not overly active and somewhat lethargic. I don't see any drastic weight loss but since the frog is not eating I assume that is right around the corner.

I have already completely broken down the terrarium, replaced all the substrate, cleaned all the plants and wood, so I know the enclosure is clean. I was doing a little research and it could very well be a bacterial infection under the skin. My biggest fear is that it may be a parasite/worms under the skin but I have no idea how to really treat that without a herp vet, which I do not have one near me.

From reading the First Aid site I believe the issue may be the following:

Doesn't eat, loses weight, is listless, has lumps or other irregularities on the skin.

Bacterial infections.
Treat with ENROFLOXACIN (BAYTRIL) Put 8 drops in 125ml Tepid water. Put a lid on the bowl and make sure the frogs’ head stays above the water. Duration: 15 min. each day for 6 days.

Sounds like that is the medication I would need for this frog. I think I need a prescription for it though, so I may need to contact Dr. Frye since I do not have a herp vet near me. I still have Flagyl on hand but I am not sure this would be effective.

Any thoughts/recommendations are welcome. I am considering moving this frog to a hospital tank setup when I have time to set one up. I've filled out the "Trouble in the Enclosure" questionaire to see if maybe something is wrong with their environment..

1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species) / Whites Tree Frog
2----please include a photo of the frog / See original post.
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure / See below
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" ) 25" x 18" x 25"
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? ) / 2 roughly the same size
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate / Nope
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined / Bought together, same enclosure
8----what is the typical humidity level / 80%.. trying to get this lower
9----what temperature is maintained / 82F in the day 76F at night
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure / 50 watt heat lamp and a water heater kept under the false bottom
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically) / Finnex Ray2 LED Light
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting / Treated tap water but I very rarely mist
-----for the frog's soaking dish / No dish, water area provided by false bottom
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand / Seachem Prime
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific / EcoEarth
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned / complete removal of substrate, replaced with fresh EcoEarth, washed all wood with hot water and washed plants off with tap water
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric / live plants
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials / there is wood in the enclosure
16---when is the last time the frog ate / about a week ago
17---have you found poop lately / yes but probably from the other frog
18---how often is the frog fed / every other day
19---what size feeder is given / large crickets about the span of the frogs head
20---what other feeders are used as treats / nightcrawlers
21---what is the frog's main food source / crickets
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed / fed via tongs or glass bowl
23---vitamins - what brand and how often / ReptiCal Multivitamin powder
24---calcium - what brand and how often / Repashy Tree Frog Calcium powder
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time / No
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog / Less than 1 year (since June 2014?)
28---who cared for the frog before you / Pet store
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred / not sure
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves) / very rarely handled, no gloved used just clean wet hands
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area / low traffic
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no) / yes
-----for how long / a few weeks
32---has the frog been treated with any medication: Yes
-----for what / protozoa infection and worms
-----name of medication / Panacur (Febendazole) & Flagyl (Metronidazole)
-----for how long / don't remember just followed instructions provided by vet
-----what dose / see above, could check medication as I still have it but just followed instructions
-----was medicantion prescribed by a herp vet / yes, Dr. Frye

Enclosure image.. http://s27.postimg.org/rdzl0t0ya/IMAG0827.jpg

[Lija]

Bad news unfortunately you need a vet asap. Hard to say from these PCs, but yes you are correct, it's either abscess or spargana, very common in wc Indonesian whites. Both cases to be treated surgically. Based on localization it more likely spargana, intermittent form of tapeworm. Don't worry though it's not contagiuos to either you or anybody. No need to rip a tank apart too.
Without a vet, it all depends on what is that exactly, if spargana it will go through the skin in the environment and die, if abscess, well it can go the same way or get smaller and go away. The question if a frog will be able to survive that.

[mpmistr]

Could my other frog catch this if it is spargana? Should this frog be placed in a hospital tank?

[irThumper]

Anyone know the answer to this? Have someone on the White's Tree Frog Lovers FB Group who's frog looks like she has this Spargana Not good. Michael, have you seen anything come out of the lump that looks like a thread or strip of skin?

[irThumper]

Oh crud! Looks like this actually CAN be transmitted to humans, so wear gloves when handling your frog or anything it it's environment, and use an alcohol based hand cleaner afterward, just in case Sparganosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[irThumper]

Another document regarding this parasite http://www.herpetologynotes.seh-herp...pages69-71.pdf

[irThumper]

http://frogs.org.au/community/viewto...d2b201822bc68c

[mpmistr]

Anyone know the answer to this? Have someone on the White's Tree Frog Lovers FB Group who's frog looks like she has this Spargana Not good. Michael, have you seen anything come out of the lump that looks like a thread or strip of skin?

I've not seen anything come out of it. It seems like the same thing that happend a while back but now it's back and it is bigger. Luckily the frog has not lost any amount significant weight but I still cannot get him to eat.. I am leaving a few roamers in his tank every night with the hope he is eating a few crickets. Without a vet locally to check it, I am not really sure what more I can do other than wait it out.

[mpmistr]

Sort of a good news update, I decided to just put him in a 10 gallon tank alone with some crickets, he ate one right away. I'll let him sit in there for an hour or two and see if he can eat.

I know this may be grasping at straws but I do still have Panacur anti-parasite powder.. would mixing that with warm water and soaking him in it do any harm?