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    Default Re: Small lump on Whites Tree Frog?

    Happy clean tank equals happy frog!
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    Default Re: Small lump on Whites Tree Frog?

    Quote Originally Posted by Snappi13 View Post
    Happy clean tank equals happy frog!
    Well, the tank is clean really. I remove feces daily.. it's planted, I don't think a dirty tank is the cause here. I really do not know what caused this lump really. The other frog is perfectly fine, I just removed the driftwood from the tank not even a month ago and cleaned it with boiling hot water. It's a 57 gallon tank with only two frogs in it, so they have ample room. So I'm a kind of at a loss as to what caused this.

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    Default Re: Small lump on Whites Tree Frog?

    well sounds like your right on track so it's def tough. The only answers may come from a vet worse case scenario if things go wrong. Maybe your frog with work this out on there own. I've heard of that in some cases.
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    Default Re: Small lump on Whites Tree Frog?

    The lump has been getting smaller. It looks like it's going away, I think there was an abcess of some sort, either way it seems to be getting better.

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    That's great! I'm glad to hear that hope all stays well!
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    Default Re: Small lump on Whites Tree Frog?

    Bad news unfortunately, the lump is back again, same size but in a different spot on the back. This frog is not eating, not overly active and somewhat lethargic. I don't see any drastic weight loss but since the frog is not eating I assume that is right around the corner.

    I have already completely broken down the terrarium, replaced all the substrate, cleaned all the plants and wood, so I know the enclosure is clean. I was doing a little research and it could very well be a bacterial infection under the skin. My biggest fear is that it may be a parasite/worms under the skin but I have no idea how to really treat that without a herp vet, which I do not have one near me.

    From reading the First Aid site I believe the issue may be the following:

    Doesn't eat, loses weight, is listless, has lumps or other irregularities on the skin.
    Bacterial infections.
    Treat with ENROFLOXACIN (BAYTRIL) Put 8 drops in 125ml Tepid water. Put a lid on the bowl and make sure the frogs’ head stays above the water. Duration: 15 min. each day for 6 days.

    Sounds like that is the medication I would need for this frog. I think I need a prescription for it though, so I may need to contact Dr. Frye since I do not have a herp vet near me. I still have Flagyl on hand but I am not sure this would be effective.

    Any thoughts/recommendations are welcome. I am considering moving this frog to a hospital tank setup when I have time to set one up. I've filled out the "Trouble in the Enclosure" questionaire to see if maybe something is wrong with their environment..

    1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species) / Whites Tree Frog
    2----please include a photo of the frog / See original post.
    3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure / See below
    4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" ) 25" x 18" x 25"
    5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? ) / 2 roughly the same size
    6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate / Nope
    7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined / Bought together, same enclosure
    8----what is the typical humidity level / 80%.. trying to get this lower
    9----what temperature is maintained / 82F in the day 76F at night
    10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure / 50 watt heat lamp and a water heater kept under the false bottom
    11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically) / Finnex Ray2 LED Light
    12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
    13---what kind of water is used
    -----for misting / Treated tap water but I very rarely mist
    -----for the frog's soaking dish / No dish, water area provided by false bottom
    -----is de-chlorinator used / what brand / Seachem Prime
    14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific / EcoEarth
    15---enclosure set up:
    -----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned / complete removal of substrate, replaced with fresh EcoEarth, washed all wood with hot water and washed plants off with tap water
    -----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric / live plants
    -----describe wood, bark , and background materials / there is wood in the enclosure
    16---when is the last time the frog ate / about a week ago
    17---have you found poop lately / yes but probably from the other frog
    18---how often is the frog fed / every other day
    19---what size feeder is given / large crickets about the span of the frogs head
    20---what other feeders are used as treats / nightcrawlers
    21---what is the frog's main food source / crickets
    22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed / fed via tongs or glass bowl
    23---vitamins - what brand and how often / ReptiCal Multivitamin powder
    24---calcium - what brand and how often / Repashy Tree Frog Calcium powder
    25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time / No
    26---approximate age of the frog
    27---how long have you owned the frog / Less than 1 year (since June 2014?)
    28---who cared for the frog before you / Pet store
    29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred / not sure
    30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves) / very rarely handled, no gloved used just clean wet hands
    31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area / low traffic
    30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no) / yes
    -----for how long / a few weeks
    32---has the frog been treated with any medication: Yes
    -----for what / protozoa infection and worms
    -----name of medication / Panacur (Febendazole) & Flagyl (Metronidazole)
    -----for how long / don't remember just followed instructions provided by vet
    -----what dose / see above, could check medication as I still have it but just followed instructions
    -----was medicantion prescribed by a herp vet / yes, Dr. Frye

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    Default Re: Small lump on Whites Tree Frog?

    Bad news unfortunately you need a vet asap. Hard to say from these PCs, but yes you are correct, it's either abscess or spargana, very common in wc Indonesian whites. Both cases to be treated surgically. Based on localization it more likely spargana, intermittent form of tapeworm. Don't worry though it's not contagiuos to either you or anybody. No need to rip a tank apart too.
    Without a vet, it all depends on what is that exactly, if spargana it will go through the skin in the environment and die, if abscess, well it can go the same way or get smaller and go away. The question if a frog will be able to survive that.
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