Waxy Monkey not eating, very thin, PLEASE help!

[joeysfarm]

Hello, everyone. I have 3 Waxy Monkeys. 1 male 2 females. I have had 1 male and 1 of the females for about 2 years. Acquired the other female about 2-3 months ago. They are in an 18"x18"x24" tall exo terra. Plenty of branches to climb on. Temp = 90 degrees in basking area. I do have uv lights on 10-12 hours out of the day. Humidity = 30-50% 50% only when I water the plants. I have had no problems with my Waxys up until about 6 months ago. My original female stopped eating for no reason. Called a vet and she recommended fecal sample ( negative) and try force feeding with repti boost and a high calorie dog/cat food. At that time it seemed like she couldn't see to catch her food. She wanted to eat but couldn't find it. So I did the force feedings for 1 week. She is back to normal now but has a haze over 1/2 of 1 eye. Not so concerned with her anymore she is hunting and back to eating like a champ. I acquired the other female because all was well with my 2. She is healthy and eating fine.
Now for my issue, my male stopped eating about 2 weeks ago. I've tried the force feedings but he is not tolerating as well as my female did. He is very skinny and I don't know what to do. Please anybody help, I don't want to lose Mo! Sorry for the winded post but I figured the more info the better.

First Pic is of Mo, next pic is Flo my original female, next pic is Lumpy 2nd female.
Thank you, Joey

[monster]

Are they giant waxy frogs? How big are they?

[joeysfarm]

They are not Giant. Regular Waxy Monkeys. Male is about 2 3/4 inches female is about 3 3/4"

[joeysfarm]

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This was him before he stopped eating.

[joeysfarm]

MO before.

[monster]

I don't know much about these guys I was just asking because if they were giants I was thinking maybe there enclosure was getting abit small and maybe stressing them out. Anyway theres a guy on this forum that you could probably PM and he will more then likely be able to help out. He owns 4 giants, his name is The Frog Keeper. He lives here in the same city as me that's how I know of him and he has a great instagram account and he has a You tube account. Im pretty sure he should be able to help you out, you should try to PM him. You may even be able to leave him a message on one of his latest you tube videos.

[LilyPad]

Please copy/paste and fill this out, it will give us a bigger picture of what's going on in a more organized form -
QUESTIONS

1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

[monster]

His user name on the forum is andaroo. And ya if you fill this trouble in the enclosure out someone else might be able to help you out. I just thought of him because I don't see a lot on the forum about these frogs so I wasn't sure how many people actually keep this type.

[joeysfarm]

1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species) SAVAUGI
2----please include a photo of the frog PICTURES ARE ABOVE
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" ) 18" X 18" X 24" TALL
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? ) 2 FEMALES AND THEY ARE BIGGER
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate NO
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined NEW TANK MATE WAS QUARANTINED FOR 2 WEEKS, THIS ISSUE STARTED ABOUT 2 1/2 MONTHS AFTER NEW FEMALE
8----what is the typical humidity level 30-50% BUT ONLY 50% WHEN I WATER PLANTS ABOUT 4 HOURS EVERY 2 WEEKS OR SO.
9----what temperature is maintained 90 DEGREES BASKING AREA
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure 2 60 WATT BULBS 1 DAY 1 NIGHT, DAY BULB IS TURNED OFF AT NIGHT TEMP= 75-80
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically) EXO-TERRA UVB 100 X2 BULBS
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc) WATER CHANGED DAILY, SUBSTRATE = MOSS CHANGED EVERY 2-3 WEEKS
13---what kind of water is used DECHLORINATED TAP
-----for misting NO MISTING
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand ZOO-MED REPTISAFE
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific CLAY BALL BASE, JUNGLE MIX, THEN MOSS
15---enclosure set up: 2 YEARS AGO
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric LIVE PLANTS
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate ABOUT 2 WEEKS AGO
17---have you found poop lately NOT FROM THIS FROG
18---how often is the frog fed AT THIS TIME I TRY TO FEED DAILY BUT NORMALLY EVERY 2 DAYS
19---what size feeder is given LARGE CRICKETS
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source LARGE CRICKETS THEY NEVER WOULD EAT ANYTHING ELSE
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed SOME DO ROAM, CAN'T SEEM TO CATCH THEM ALL
23---vitamins - what brand and how often CRICKETS ARE GUT LOADED WITH FLUKERS HIGH CALCIUM CRICKET DIET, WHEN I HAND FEED I DIP THEM IN REP-CAL HERPTIVITE AND FLUKERS CALCIUM WITH VIT D3 PHOS FREE. HE DOESN'T TAKE HAND FEEDINGS....EVER!
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time SINCE HE STOPPED EATING
26---approximate age of the frog 2 1/2 YRS
27---how long have you owned the frog 2YRS 3 MONTHS
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred I WAS TOLD CAPTIVE BRED
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves) ONLY TO TRY TO FORCE FEED, NORMALLY NEVER
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area LIVING ROOM MEDIUM TRAFFIC AREA BUT ITS BEEN IN THE SAME PLACE FOR 2 YRS
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication: ​I WAS ABLE TO GET A VERY SMALL AMOUNT OF BENE BAC PLUS IN HIM LAST WEEK
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

[joeysfarm]

Thank you, I will try to find him.

[LilyPad]

There are many members here with waxy frogs who could help you, but filling out the form would make it a lot easier. Knowing the specifics of how he's living in will give us a lot of information.

[joeysfarm]

More pic's of Mo. Never seen the black spots on his head before. Those are new.

[Monkey Business]

Out of 4 monkeys I got, one developed a problem and had one do this; pedialyte, Lafeber carnivore diet, eventually had to give Baytril diluted one drop on back for five days-a reptile vet can make this for you. After that treatment his weight caught up to the rest of the group in about 3 weeks. Your new girl may have had a low grade bacterial infection so I would treat her too; maybe all of them?

[Diver]

I'd separate him. For a number of reasons but not least as female Waxies can be bullies. As your issues started with the introduction of a new female, this is a possible reason for the weight loss. If it isn't and he's sick, still needs separating.

[Monkey Business]

By the way, the Pedialyte is used diluted (about 30%) . as a soak. It really helps them feel better. Then I agree with isolating him with paper towel substrate and a small hide; this way you can put in a couple of crix before bedtime and you will know for sure if he eats. My sick frog got one feeding of the Lafeber product and it kick-started him hunting. Nonetheless I did the antibiotic treatment. I would definitely take this guy to the vet; amphibians are so stoic that by the time you can tell they are sick or losing weight it's pretty serious. I would say no, no to cat or dog food, it is full of grain and gluten!

And if it is possible you could do with less humidity; I actually gave up on live plants because they do contribute to humidity.

[Lija]

Do not treat anything unless is prescribed! You can make more damage then good! Especially with antibiotics.

diver is right! Waxies can be bullies, especially females, some are so mean, have huge egos and don't tolerate each other. Thus a need of big enclosures. Yours is on a smaller side and not enough basking spots. Moss is bad, especially for waxies, they eat without looking much, will easily eat a cricket and a bunch of moss with it = impacting, bloating, not eating, etc. So for now
separate, use papertowels for substrate - easier to see poops/pees, monitor them. Do you have water dish? If not have it, not too deep.
Uvb - how often do you change it? When was the last you replaced the bulbs? I also question airflow - you have heating and the exoterra light fixture. How big is area of your screen top that is not covered with anything?

do that and see how it'll go. Update us too. Good luck