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    Default how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    ok i am planning on getting a bigger tank someday.... maybe if i can afford it
    and also if i just got some pathos for now and covered the tank bottom with it would this be ok?

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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    Depends on what you mean by someday. If you plan to upgrade a vivarium in a year or so you can probably get away with 4 froglets. When they start to mature they will need more space. If you don't know if they might stay in the 10 gallon for years then you can only fit one in there by the 10 gallon / frog dogma.

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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    ok thanks i had a feeling it was a 1 for a 10 gallon but i kept reading 2 (i even read three O.o) and i could only get 1 at first anyways so its all good

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    Well success with frogs is variable and some people just put their frogs in a more cramp space. Also people often have more success if frogs grow up together. But the 10 gallon per frog is a fairly accepted and safe bet. But if you are new to dart frogs then its best to stick with the safe bet and actually sticking with one could be good because you will not have to deal with aggression issues.

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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    Hello

    I agree with the good information you have been given.
    I do have one additional question "bumble bee dart frogs" ??
    If you mean D leucomelas then you really done need to worry about aggression as they do well in a small group.
    ( with bigger living quarters)

    Leucs are a great starter frog and very entertaining, to say the least.
    You might squeak 2 into the 10 gallon. You should not mix the Leuc 'morphs'--> they will breed and you'll have ....well a mess of offspring no one will want.

    Keep in mind... they love to climb; keep an eye on the rim when you open up

    The pothos is fine. They will find cover under that. Simply give them a little hide to tuck into.

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    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

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    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

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    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
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    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    Quote Originally Posted by spires33 View Post
    Those are D leucomelas
    -as mentioned in post #5
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Default how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    Somebody should have warned you, we don't do common names, only Latin when it comes to darts lol


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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    haha ok just my spelling is terrible so i try to avoid long words

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    Default how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    I know the feeling. And autocorrect normally kicks my butt when typing out Latin names


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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    copy and paste is always my friend when it comes to long scientific names
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    Spell it right once, then add it to your dictionary on your phone or PC, from here on out auto correct is on your side.

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    Default how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    I'm too stubborn to add stuff to the dictionary. And it seems like every update, Apple screws me and my dictionary goes bye bye lol


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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    Quote Originally Posted by spires33 View Post
    haha ok just my spelling is terrible so i try to avoid long words
    It's me again,

    You can call your frogs what ever you want to
    I refer to my leucs as "mountain goats" because they think they're tree frogs.

    Actually, I assumed you were talking about D leucomelas.
    It could have been bumble bee walking toads ( Melanophryniscus stelzneri ) that are the same colors but in need of completely different care.

    If you think the spelling is bad .... the pronunciation is worse.
    Billy can do it on the fly !
    I, on the other hand need the Anura version of 'Rosetta-Stone'

    Good luck with them ----keep us posted

    Current Collection
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    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    well... im not sure if the breeder is going to get back with me....
    you guys know where i could get lower shipping rates? or where they are super cheap and have a live arrival guarantee?
    really stinks about this.. the breeder lives like 10 minutes away from me

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    Safe shipping of frogs is expensive no matter what especially in the winter, if you list your location we might be able to find you someone whom is close.

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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    illinois

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    If you are in Chicago there are tons of people and about 1 person in every other city.
    Look at this link
    https://6e5b0f46ade905729a2ddeb50f20...nses.Data.json

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    As far as your original question, think of it like this...You are now living in your clothes closet. Once a day the doors are open and you are fed and given water. You'd like to move about some but there really isn't enough room to jump, do sit-ups, or even stretch.

    You could successfully keep 2 D. Leucomela in a ten gallon tank if you designed it right, but why do it. No frog lives within a 20"x10" footprint for any length of time. A ten gallon tank is fine as a quarantine container or to grow-out froglets but it's not really a good choice for Leucs. One reason is that they like to climb too much.

    You are better off getting a 20 gallon tall. Please do not try and cut corners in regards to trying to saving money. It's better to wait and save up enough money for all the good quality components that you will need for the tank then just trying to throw something together and getaway with it. Whenever I plan on setting up a new enclosure the first thing I do is buy the right size enclosure for the frogs I want to keep. Then maybe a week or two later I buy the ABG mix and the micro fauna. Maybe another couple weeks later I'll buy all the plants and leaf litter and wood features that I'll be using. Then after everything is put together I wait. I wait for at least 4-5 weeks for everything to grow in and for all the micro fauna to establish itself.

    The shake and bake approach that most beginners attempt to getaway with doesn't fly with me! I am saying this in general and to anyone thinking about getting into dart frogs; if supplies, frogs and shipping are too expensive for you then maybe this isn't the right animal for you. I hear PacMan frogs are fun!!!

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    Default Re: how many bumblebee darts can go in a 10 gallon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Frog View Post
    As far as your original question, think of it like this...You are now living in your clothes closet. Once a day the doors are open and you are fed and given water. You'd like to move about some but there really isn't enough room to jump, do sit-ups, or even stretch.

    You could successfully keep 2 D. Leucomela in a ten gallon tank if you designed it right, but why do it. No frog lives within a 20"x10" footprint for any length of time. A ten gallon tank is fine as a quarantine container or to grow-out froglets but it's not really a good choice for Leucs. One reason is that they like to climb too much.

    You are better off getting a 20 gallon tall. Please do not try and cut corners in regards to trying to saving money. It's better to wait and save up enough money for all the good quality components that you will need for the tank then just trying to throw something together and getaway with it. Whenever I plan on setting up a new enclosure the first thing I do is buy the right size enclosure for the frogs I want to keep. Then maybe a week or two later I buy the ABG mix and the micro fauna. Maybe another couple weeks later I'll buy all the plants and leaf litter and wood features that I'll be using. Then after everything is put together I wait. I wait for at least 4-5 weeks for everything to grow in and for all the micro fauna to establish itself.

    The shake and bake approach that most beginners attempt to getaway with doesn't fly with me! I am saying this in general and to anyone thinking about getting into dart frogs; if supplies, frogs and shipping are too expensive for you then maybe this isn't the right animal for you. I hear PacMan frogs are fun!!!
    actually the other day i saw a 40 gallon for 90$.. if its still on sale i'm getting it

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