Swollen leg update, need advice!!

[Lija]

Cory, please dont take it the wrong way, im not criticizing or saying you were doing smth wrong, im just trying to collect history data to get sense of what's going on. It doesn't adds up for me. If you were keeping her in spot on everything, temps, humidity, supplementing proper foods and changing substrate in correct intervals smth else is going on. If it is renal failure due to her previous keeping conditions it would have happen long ago, not 4 months later, and on both sides evenly, however as Carlos pointed out location of edema would suggest renal problems, so we can't rule it out yet. That type of renal failure can also happen due to infection, not nessesarly low temps.

So im thinking.... Infection? Parasites? Digestion problems? Reaction to smth in the environment?
and looking at these last pics... What is it she is sitting on?
Have you done fecal testing?
how long it's going on, how she is eating/pooping during that period? How did she do that before? You mentioned she goes in water baths only, q - what are you feeding, how supplementing

Ill look up your other thread tomorrow, gotta go sleep now, but be back tomorrow.

and if you are going to call the vet, can you ask if she can ask a lab to make a hypertonic amphibian solution for you, and how much will it cost, I'll get a recipe for you if needed.

[monster]

Hi again lija, she is sitting on a towel and now that I think of it that probably isn't all that great. I have only done this a couple times for pictures thinking it was better then putting her right on the table. Never really thought of it until u just asked, but I will stop. That was serious brain fart on my part, should have known better. And now that I have calmed down abit, I have a sick frog, sick dog with allergies and both kids got the flu l.o.l and have been able to think there was an incident me and carlos I believe had a conversation about last week. I had a feeding incident a couple months back were she grabed the end of the tongs and me being new went to pull the tongs away and she held on. When she let go she fell about six inches into her water dish. She honestly seemed fine afterwards so I thought nothing of it. Sorry this wasn't mentioned earlier just have a lot on my mind. When I first got her I got my vet for my dog to send a fecal sample out to the lab she uses and it came back negative for parasites. She said she doesn't do reptiles and amphibians but the fecal test she could help me on. I asked her if the lab would know what its looking for and she said yes, they deal with reptile and amphibians just she didn't. The vet I went to on Friday looked at some stool and said she couldn't see anything but im starting to not trust her opinion. I feed her nightcrawlers and a couple small horns during the month, 1 hornworm every couple weeks. She wont eat crickets and I don't know what else to give her, is that ok for food? When I first got her I fed her everyday for the first month, I would do calcium and d3 one night, no supplements the next then calcium with d3 and then the multivitamin on Friday or the weekend then back to the start. Then I fed her every second day with the same schedule just with 2 day inbetween. For about the last month and a half its been every 3 days. Now it goes calciumand d3, then nothing andthenthe multivitamin. She is still eating and moving around and she feels soft and squishy. And Lija I know u weren't criticizing me and if it came of that way im sorry, Im just very tired and frustrated. And yes I will ask for that prescription forsure. And it was swimminsteve I had the converstion with, it wasn't carlos. I need some sleep!!

[DVirginiana]

If this were the result of an injury, I'd expect to see some sign that the frog was injured before months had passed. This may be the result of something that was done, or your frog could just be unlucky; not every disease has a definite cause we can pinpoint.

[Lija]

No, if it's injury edema would have happened right after or in a few days max, not 2 months later.
parasites are negative, you can trust that one, it's ether here or not, can't really miss it.
Feeding, supplementing - ok.

Okay, can you please take some more pictures, more clear ones, including underbelly and back legs. Please describe :
how long it is going on, how have you noticed? Is there any changes in edema over the duration of the problem, got bigger/smaller/same? Did anything else changed - behaviour, eating, pooping. Do you see that it influenced her in any way- harder to move?
The q you didnt answer - how often do you clean the tank? How often do you change the water, type of water?

You were saying she goes only in water bath, would you please describe how does it look like exactly - water? How long? Temp? How often? Does she goes on her own while in a bath or you massage her sides?

another question - can you try to feel her sides? Left? And right? Don't squish her much, but just try to feel inside, gently! What you feel, pls describe.

as of now I'm going with localized infection, possibly in digestive tract ( not pooping on her own very often lead to enlargement of the colon and consequitive infection, and vise versa, not pooping in her own often is related to anatomical structure of the colon, when it is enlarged). the location of the edema ( left side) is also suggesting that.
I doubt it's a renal problem. With any kidney or any other systemic problem edema is happening evenly on both sides, here we see very clearly differentiated left side, not so much the right one. Is it how it is? Or it just looks like it on the pics?

[monster]

Good morning, just wanted to let the people that have been helping the last couple days with lillypad that I have found another herp vet close to were I live and im bringing her in today. This vet has 30 years experience with herps and exotic pets. Fingers crossed and I will let u know later what the diagnoses is. OH and lija I just seen your post from today and I will answer when I get back from the vet.

[Lija]

Excellent! Ask vet a questions, specific ones.

[DVirginiana]

Glad you found a vet better suited to the situation! Fingers crossed that the first one was wrong and this is something treatable.

[Mentat]

Good luck and let us know results. Right now I'm thinking probable internal infection, maybe caused by feeding accident injury.

[monster]

Im finally back from the vet, was there for 2 hours. And I got some bad news, its kidney failure. She said she is 99% sure of it. So this is how it went, she asked a whole bunch of questions about feeding, housing,handling and so on, pretty much most the questions in the trouble in the enclosure article. So after answering she determined all that was ok. So then I told her about the incident the night she tried to eat my tongs. She did an x-ray and a visual exam everything seemed ok, nothing broken or deformed. So now she went to the next step and she took some of the fluid out, she said her biggest worry would be if there is blood in it. No blood so that was good but the liquid still was very thick she said and there was some puss. She got her tech to look at it and she concluded that it was kidney failure due to something about a lot of cells and little protein in the fluid. I know that sounds weird but I got a head full of info today so its kinda hard to remember everything word for word. Does it make sense to you guys, if not I will call her back tomorrow and ask her about that part again. So then she took a lot of the fluid out with a needle, and gave me a prescription of antibiotics called enrofloxacin and said to soak her for the next week in it for 4hr a day and she will call me in a week and see how it is going and it is 500mg's. So she did/does have edema because of the kidneys. I asked if it could have been there the whole time and she said yes, I probably never noticed it till recently because now its hard to miss. If anything doesn't make sense I will answer any questions, just have to go walk the dog. I feel a lot better with this vet then the other, I think the other vet just wanted my money. She did nothing even close to what this vet did.