Need help fast!

[McNuggie]

Well.... Hopefully I get a reply on this thread because I am not entirely sure what to do. I have this African Bullfrog that was estavating. I checked on him about 2 weeks ago and this morning my mom told me that she smelled something sour in my room, my mind immediately went to my gym clothes but that was not it. So I thought to check on my frog. His outer waxy coating was really crusty and when I picked him up he was stiff. ( I don't normally pick up my frogs when in estivation) But this time he looked different. I immediately thought to put him in a bowl of warm dechlorinated water and I've been spraying him on and off, it has been 30 minutes or so and the outer skin looks as though it is seperating, but then I noticed these weird bumps between his eyes and there is a spot under his left eye that looks as though it is infected.

I do not know if he is dead, I surely hope not. But any advice on his eye or these bumps would be appreciated. I will post pictures if I get a relpy. As of now I have to take a midterm for school. Hopefully someone can help.

Thanks,
Duncan

[habeeb]

do the bumps appear to be white looking?? bc ive had one that started toxicing out and developed those white bumps and then passed away i hope this isnt ur case as well

[Thevacantface]

For future reference, if he is still alive, there is no need to estivate African Bullfrogs. It is a response to conditions not being ideal for survival. There are some frogs that need it, but not Pyxies, unless you are trying to breed them without hormones. As for the spots on the frog, not much to tell without pictures, though I don't have high hopes if the smell was coming from the frog.

[McNuggie]

Here is a picture of his head, there are white bumps on his head. Also on his right side there is a hard lump. I had him in a 40 gallon breeder (too big)? With the eco earth substrate, a log hide, a national geographic brand thermometer, hydrometer, and a large water dish, I had plastic wrap over 2/3 of the lid and a 50 watt bulb with a heat mat under one side of the tank. (He was not estavating over it). Generally it was 60 percent humidity and 85 degrees Fahrenheit. He was fed pinkys once every few months and mainly non-dyed earthworms and dubia roaches. I would really like to know how this happened because I do not want to make the same mistake....

[Thevacantface]

The humidity is far too low, keep him closer to 80%. Tank size doesnt matter, just a little more difficult to keep conditions ideal. Thermometer and hydrometer are best if digital, dial gauges are garbage. 85 degrees is the high end of the ideal temp range, also put the heat mat on the side of the tank. Most of that last post sounds past tense, are we to assume he didn't make it? In terms of the bumps, I don't really see anything, but I'm also not a vet, which I would recommend you see if something seems off to you. Again, these guys shouldn't be estivating unless you are intentionally putting him through a cycle and that should only be done by very experienced keepers if at all.

[Lija]

thevacantface is spot on!

Aestivation is extrembly stressful event in their lives, it is deadly is not done properly. However even the most experienced keepers out there are not putting their frogs under that unless for breeding purposes as a part of cycling.

The main question is - is a frog still alive?
If you are looking for the ways to help him we can try to do so, if you are looking for how to prevent this from happeing that's another sort of advise here. Would you please clarify.

[Mentat]

Not much to add here to what's been stated. Never let a frog aestivate unless for breeding purposes by an experienced owner. Until OP returns and states if frog is responsive, breathing and alive; there is not much anyone can do here .

[McNuggie]

Yeah he didn't make it... I really appreciate all of the feedback though, I did research before I got him and nothing I read said anything about not letting them estavate. And sorry about not clarifying if he was dead or alive, I didn't know at the time what he was.

[McNuggie]

I just have a question about misting systems or foggers. If they produce fog, is it safe for the amphibian to breathe in?

[Thevacantface]

Please read the care guide posted as a sticky at the top of the GABF page thoroughly and carefully, it's got a ton of excellent information in there. If anything is ever unclear, or concerning, ask

As for the foggers, they are perfectly safe, and highly recommended to maintain humidity. They should be filled with distilled water only, but all other water used for the frog should be treated.

[McNuggie]

I have read it multiple times. And thank you for answering my thread.

[Mentat]

Very sorry for frog's death . When I read your initial post imagine is was so already.