Problem with My Frog

[MrMcNick]

There is a picture. It's a bad picture but you can see his left eye. Sorry I couldn't touch him.


With the light, that did spark a thought in my head I did replace the bulb like 2 weeks ago with a stronger bulb, all I had avaliable. So I got the same bulb as the old bulb to replace it.

Also I bought ZooMed Reptisafe to use for the water. Which is similar to the SeaChem I believe


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[Mentat]

Thanks for reply; well... first thing you need to do is read this article and learn how to care for frog: Frog Forum - Pacman and Horned Frogs - Ceratophrys - Care and Breeding. If back and sides of enclosure are not covered in paper (i.e. aquarium background) recommend do so. Water should be treated tap for both mixing with substrate (shredded coco like ExoTerra Plantation Soil or Zoo Med EcoEarth) and for the frog water dish (cleaned daily). Substrate should be damp so it clumps in fist; but does not drip water out when squeezed. Get rid of that moss; it's an impaction hazard! You can use distilled water for misting to prevent water marks on glass.

Temperature is too cold; air temp couple in. from substrate should be 82F (28C) day with just a couple degree drop at night. Long term exposure to cold will cause permanent damage to frogs kidneys and lymph hearts resulting in edema. You can use a heat pad on the tanks side (not on bottom) or a 40-60 watt ceramic heat emitter on a Fluker's or similar dome fixture with built in dimmer to adjust heat. To maintain humidity and heat in tank can cover with aluminum foil all top; but area for lights and like 1 inch space around them for ventilation.

Need to dust food in supplements regardless of crickets gut load. Uneaten crickets should be removed 1 hour after feeding or no later than next morning if feeding at night. More info on supplements in here: http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...schedules.html.

Try and get not dyed night crawlers at Walmart or a local bait shop and teach frog to eat them from rubber/plastic tipped tongs. They are the best food you can give frog.

Not much you can do for eyes. If it's caused by too a bright light it should get better after condition change. If an irritation; replacing properly treated substrate should help. Can also prepare a Melafix (fish natural antibiotic) solution according to label instructions and using an eyedropper apply 2X daily to frog's eyes. If there is an infection do recommend take frog to a herp vet. Hope frog gets better and good luck !

[MrMcNick]

There are a few better pictures of his eyes


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[Strider18]

The two things that stand out to me are the water which everyone else pointed out, and the tank size. 10 gallons is the minimum for pacmans, and even then I would go with a 20 gallon knowing how big they get. I doubt the size is making your frog sick but I would definitely consider upgrading the tank size.

0.0.1 PCf
Soon to come 0.0.4 Phyllobates bicolor

[MrMcNick]

Does anyone know how to get a frog to eat? I bought some night crawlers since he can't see the crickets right now but he isn't going after them.

All I do is dangle them in front of him but he doesn't do anything


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[monster]

When your feeding the nightcrawlers are you touching her lips with it? If not maybe that will work. Hold the worm right at her mouth and let it rub against her and maybe she will take it. If she cant see the crickets maybe she cant see the worm even when it is right in front her face. Hope your froggy gets better.

[MrMcNick]

Yeah I'm letting the work touch him but he won't take it


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[monster]

So sorry he wont eat, I have never had to force feed so I don't know to much on how to go about it. Do you think he can see the worm at all? Im wondering if he has lost so much of his vision he cant determine whats going down the hatch so he wont take it? I don't know if that's the case but I wonder if everything is just spooking him out. Poor little guy.

[DVirginiana]

I think that the eyes being closed is an indicator of something more serious going on (such as issues related to the water). Sitting around with the eyes closed like that is a sign that the frog isn't feeling well; basically, I don't think he's going to willingly eat while he's got the eyes closed, but it isn't because he can't see, it's because he feels bad. I imagine that once the issues with temp and water are corrected, he'll open his eyes and eat for you.

[Thevacantface]

I wouldn't worry about him trying to eat until he is looking better, or at least for a week or so. You might try soaking him in a unflavored pedialite/treated water mixture, not sure of the ratio but it's been posted before. Might help him flush his system and give him a little bit of a pickup.

[monster]

If you want to try the bath it is 1oz of unflavoured pedialyte per 10oz of water. Make sure the water is lukewarm and no deeper then the chin. Let him soak for 20mins.

[Lija]

First of all... Im so sorry this is happening and this is bad.

Your frog is freezing, this this body functions are shutting down add to it exstreme toxicosis due to the water used and you gave this. However... It's not too late until it is. You did a huge step towards helpng his and asked for advise! Now let's see how it'll go.

4: Temperature: Day: 24 to 26 Celsius Night: 21 to 23 Celsius

this is day 75-78 F, night 69-73F. You need to aim for day at 80-82, night 75-78. In Celsius day time should be at 27-29.

the water part everybody has covered already, you haven't used vitamins for him as well.

a frog won't eat until he is better, if he can't use his eye balls, he can't swallow.

You need to do a full on hydrotherapy to help with water exchange and to flush toxins, he also needs to fix his electrolyte balance and vitamin deficiency. no guarantees here, hope he will make it.

That's what you need to do other just use different water. get unflavoured pedialyte, but the best would be to get special amphibian ringeri that is available at herp vets, it had a bit different formula then pedialyte.

You need to do a bath ( 20-30 min) In full strength amph.ringeri or 1:1 mix water- pedialyte. Do this for 4-5 days and see what's going on, update us, concentration will change later on.

Simultaneously you need to get reptiaid by fluckers. It is sold in powder form, if you can get it in him anyhow that would be great - Force feed or may be you can get him to eat food coated with it, whatever you try to get him eat has to be very soft, I'd just get some of that stuff in syringe without a needle and force feed. You see what works for you.

Full change of substrate. I suggest you keep him on papertowels for the time being.

Temperature.... You gotta fix it ASAP! But do it gradually, it's dangerous to get it from low to high fast, his kidneys might shut down.

would you please post pic of him from top and how big is be exactly? Can he use his legs?

[monster]

Good evening Lija. I just wanted to ask if the information I gave about the bath would have made it worse? Did u change the ratio because his poor froggy is so sick. Im just asking because I got the info from the forum and I would never want to give the wrong advice and make a situation worse. And please don't think im questioning you, im more quetioning my own advice now.

[Lija]

No Cory, it's ok.
electrolyte baths are used for different reasons. It can be anywhere from 1:1 to 1:10 depending on a severity of the situation and the purpose.
1:10 is used for mild cases, you were right, it wont hurt or make it worse in that particular situation or in any situation for that matter.

[monster]

Ok, thanks for answering. Just wanted to make sure that I didn't read something old and the ratio had been changed. And I have had to do these baths before so I didn't want to be making my poor froggy sick. So thank you again for the response.

[MrMcNick]

Hello, my frog finally opened his eyes last night, though now there is almost a clear skin over them. It makes his eyes look foggy. I'm still under the impression that he still can't see it because he still won't take any night crawlers.

Any ideas on what is happening now and how to fix it?


Thanks,
Nick


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[DVirginiana]

Can you get a picture? Cloudy eyes makes me think infection. I think being at low temps for a long time can affect their immune system, so it might be related to that.
Again, if that's the case it's not so much the eyesight as the underlying problem that's causing them not to eat.

[MrMcNick]

It's not as bad as when I first noticed him opening his eyes.

The picture makes it hard to see but it's just a slight foggyness now


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[Thevacantface]

Opening his eyes is a good sign, it means he is feeling better, but just from his posture in the picture, he still isn't doing good. Did you do any soaking in pedialite? If not you should, if you did, continue with it. Keep going with the positive changes, try to make is environment spot on, and hopefully he will pull through.

[MrMcNick]

I have not and don't know what pedialyite is.

Would the chemical above help any? The directions read to put it in his drinking water but would putting that in the water he soaks in help any?


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