Fecal Exams?

[Larry Wardog]

First let me say nothing is wrong with my animals they are very active and healthy I need someone to help me find somewhere that will examine poo or whatever they want to look at to make sure they are both are ok. I understand the risks of mixing species and am against it mostly, in this case I had no other options at the time. I had these kinda Toads (American) for almost a decade before so I knew a lot if not all requirements for toad. I have had 3-4 other Tree Frogs before and knew many requirements. I read and did lots of research on the Whites before I did this around 8-10 months and asked lots of questions. I felt very confident in my decision and it's been 3 months and they are healthy and no problems. I will take the toad out if something occurs. I never did this before. Please do not post a negative comment only comments to help me to provide the best I can for these guys. Thank you







1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose






1 -----American Toad & Whites Tree Frog
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4 -----18x18x24
5----- there are 2 inhabitants not another Toad there is very minimal size difference by a cm or less
6 -----has been and currently is being kept with a Whites Tree Frog
7 -----No new tank mate
8 -----Humidity is 60-70 in the day and 70-90 at night
9 -----Temp ranges from 74-82
10 A Petco Thermometer
11----- I use a 26 Watt regular bulb and Repti Glo 2.0, 2 lights on a timer
12 ------Water Changes and cleaned every day or 2
13----- Water is used for Everything is Dear Park Water
14------ I use Eco Earth and Moss. However I'm going to use leaf litter to cover the moss because I know how moss is dangerous
15----- I have a Vivarium with vines, palms, a colored plant of some sort, a peace Lilly, bamboo, a spider plant, large rocks placed for animals to rest on
16----- They both ate today and will eat tomorrow.
17----- I have found poop
18---- They are fed every 3 days
19---- The large Crickets at Petco they get 5 at the maximum each
20---- The Whites Tree Frog is picky, only eats Crickets and Butterworms. Toad eats Waxworns Earthworms, Butterworms, Mealworms, Superworms.
21------They both have a main food source of Crickets
22----- No feeders do not roam I feed them separate in a separate bin
23----- I don't have vitamins
24------- I use Repti Calcium
25---- they have been for the past week and a half because I got surgery. They will get calcium tomorrow now that I healed and can bend down
26----- Toad is estimated 13 months maybe a little younger, Whites is 13 months
27----- I rescued the toad 3 months ago and bought the whites 3 months ago. Soon to be 4
28-----The toad was WC and Petco owned the tree frog
29------ I just answered this above
30------ Only handled to be taken out for feeding and cleaning no gloves used
31----- Enclosure is at a medium. It's usually pretty calm but it can be high traffic depending on the season. It's in my room now and when late spring comes it will be in the hallway next to my room
32----- Neither were checked by doctor but Toad was looked at by trusted knowledgable friend. Tree frog wasn't looked at either. I'm going to take them for a checkup when I'm allowed to work again. I had to get surgery and it was postponed until weeks ago. They will get looked at though.





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[Mentat]

Well Larry; you are taking a huge risk, specially on your White's being exposed to a wild caught toad. A local herp veterinarian can conduct fecal exams. Can also get them done online at Repti-Labs - Fecal Float Testing. For Ranavirus or Chytrid tests can contact: Research Associates Laboratory. Good luck!

[Larry Wardog]

Thank you, I have to give the local vet a call to see if they do see amphibians. They aren't too far away which is good. I know it's a risk doing this and I know the danger of a WC animal as I don't know what it possibly has. To her credit out of almost 10 years of having toads she is the healthiest I have ever seen or had. I feel I was blessed to have saved such an awesome animal and her being the same size as my Whites was a plus. Like I said before I do not like mixing animals but I had to either let the toad go or take the whites back. I chose to keep both. Thank you for the links I really appreciate it.


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[irThumper]

Thank you, I have to give the local vet a call to see if they do see amphibians. They aren't too far away which is good. I know it's a risk doing this and I know the danger of a WC animal as I don't know what it possibly has. To her credit out of almost 10 years of having toads she is the healthiest I have ever seen or had. I feel I was blessed to have saved such an awesome animal and her being the same size as my Whites was a plus. Like I said before I do not like mixing animals but I had to either let the toad go or take the whites back. I chose to keep both. Thank you for the links I really appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Please... get your toad his own home White's tree frogs have vastly different needs and require MUCH warmer temps (between 77-85 F) than an American toad can handle safely. That and toads contain toxins in their paratoid glands which your Whites Tree Frog could become poisoned by

Please, read these care sheets and compare: American toad care sheet American Toad Care Sheet – Reptile Caresheets
White's tree frog care sheet: Frog Forum - White's Tree Frog Care - Litoria caerulea

I know what it's like to be concerned about the health and well being of one's frogs, and I am very concerned about the fate of your Whites Tree Frog in particular if you continue to house the two of them together...

JMHO

[Larry Wardog]

I have read the care sheet about whites a lot. I actually have this specific one in my favorites. However I slightly disagree on certain points in the toad care sheet. American Toads are very adaptable creatures and are very hardy. I disagree with the humidity portion. They need a little higher humidity in my opinion. My tank will not get over 82 and both animals can tolerate room temperature either as the low. I am very aware of the toad being toxic however the toad will not use this unless threatened so the odds of that happening now are highly unlikely. I am aware of both using the same water dish so I clean it frequent. I have an ideal setup right now for them and I am going to upgrade to a 36x18x36 so when they reach adulthood they have plenty of room. I am not saying I am an expert as many here know more than me however I am basing my opinion on how my animals are. I am going to get them examined and that may be the deciding factor. At this point I haven't considered moving anyone.
I highly respect you IRthumper and I really appreciate your opinion. I am open to other opinions and suggestions only if they are not criticizing me. I ask for the same respect in return. This is not directed at you IRthumper either

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