sHEila Prolapsed Again :(

[elly]

Orr actually on second thought, I don't know...sitting in sugar might not be that good. But then I think he definately needs some very damp paper towels wherever he is. I guess after thinking about it it depends on A: how distressed he is in the small tank and B: if he's distressed at all by being picked up and moved.

Edit: Nevermind!

[elly]

Oh yeah, and take care of yourself! This stress will pass.

[irThumper]

I certainly hope so because I'm a nervous wreck! By the way, if this hadn't gone back in I would have taken him to Companion Pet Clinic tomorrow (which is the very closest to us) and begged them to help me and ask for them to take payments, because that is the absolute only thing I could have done. I plan on going and talking to them anyway because this could obviously happen again

Now, I only waited a couple days before feeding him before because everyone was due to be medicated, but he had only one wax worm, then he had two the next day, and then I started giving him just a few small crickets... I've read, however, that they should not be allowed to eat anything for 5 to 10(??) days... I don't want to stretch it out to 10 for worry he will get too weak and then NOT eat. He didn't eat last night, and I'm not going to feed him tonight... for one thing I'm going to look for those doggone night crawlers again, SOMEONE has to have them. I've read, on FF I think, about how someone gave their frog (think it was a Paccy?) some turkey baby food in a syringe... would this be recommended? It's not that sHEila won't eat, he grabbed for a water droplet when I sprayed the tank, thinking it was a cricket no doubt, I just need to be absolutely positively sure about when to start allowing him to eat and how much-- heck I should go read the thread on Pogo again, I know this info is on there! Thing is Pogo is a lot bigger and older than sHEila. Meh, well first things first, I gotta find those night crawlers...

[DEW]

I'm so sorry all of this is happening to sHEila, and you. Glad he is doing better now. I was thinking about if it should happen again the question of leaving him in the kritter keeper or his own tank with the possibility of infection to such a delicate area and wondered if putting the kritter keeper inside his normal tank would help, being able to see his normal surroundings? Just a thought.

Also, have you tried to find a frog rehabber? They might be able to offer some advise, they often know vets who work with exotics and wildlife and are pretty soft touches

Take care, don't make yourself sicker, you may not be able to croak convincingly

[Lija]

Sry, wasn't around.

so what's happening as of now?

[UncleChester]

Sorry to hear this has reoccurred

An experienced herp vet should be able to stitch the cloaca to help keep it in while it heals. They should also be able to advise you on how long you can withhold food. A couple days is probably not nearly enough.

I gave this link last time Amphibian and Reptile Emergencies – Prolapsed Cloaca | That Reptile Blog but it's really worth reading again, especially Frank's replies in the comments section about fasting times. I know it's hard to think in cold blooded amphibian terms, but they do not have the same food requirements as mammals and can withstand fasting for much longer than we humans can.

And yes, do take care of yourself! The Chinese take out I used to get came in low plastic round containers. The short height can be ideal containers to force your frog to chill for a bit when you're giving it a soak instead of using a taller cricket keeper. Or you can probably find a tupperware container of sufficiently low height for your little guy.

[irThumper]

Thanks guys! As of a half an hour ago sHEila is back in his regular tank with Jelly Bean... I was concerned about him getting a respiratory problem if he was kept in the small, excessively moist, warm carrier too long. I checked the tank for leftover crickets and Jelly snatched up a tiny one that scuttled out and I grabbed the other the was slightly bigger and removed it, so sHEila is back on his favorite leaf, resting. I noticed a bit of brown in the sugar water yesterday, which must have been residual poo, but there hasn't been any since the prolapse. I'm thinking of starting everyone on an every-other-day feeding schedule, so probably will wait another day or so to feed sHEila anything (will re-read all the info first) and if I can't find the night crawlers asap it will be ONE wax worm to start, and no crickets for a long time. Re-thinking the Soldier larvae idea I had... was hoping those would help; I was told by a herp shop owner that they were digestible and a good source of protein (and that the lauric acid content could help cocci issues) but Amy (LilyPad) says she's heard they aren't as digestible as the guy says. Josh's Frogs website sells and promotes them for Dart frogs though, so...?? Phoenix Worms - Feeder Insects and Supplies | Josh's Frogs Now, how about hornworms? Folks have recommended those and they sound pretty good... Hornworms Habitat Cup (25 Count Cup - Small) 6 PACK - Hornworms | Josh's Frogs I'm wanting to get away from a cricket-only diet for everyone anyway, so trying to find the best combo of isects, that will cause the least amount of problems for my frogs, as possible. I can also get earthworms from Josh's frogs, so would be nice to find all my feeders in one spot!