Calcium Lack Paralysis or Back Injury???

[Lija]

Elly, I'll move this thread.

now. Please answer the questions below so we can help you better. Thank you.


- try to answer as many questions as possible.
- if you do not know an answer to a question say "I don't know" rather than leaving it blank.

QUESTIONS

1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

[FrogsFascinated]

Hello, and thanks for moving this thread, I just made the account today! :P
1- Whites Tree Frog
(I do not have images right now, although he has a filter in his tank that's like a mini "Waterfall" if you will, that's made of fake rocks.. but that only circulates the water a little it's not like it's a huge current, and he also has a land spot that has moss on it.)
4-W 20", D 10", H 17"
5-He's the only creature in the tank
6-No previous tank mate
7-No new tank mate
8-I'm not sure, but he does have a light on the top of the tank, with a screen on top for ventilation.
9-I'm not sure of temperature either
10-He has a light, I'm not sure if it is supposed to heat, or just provide light
11-The light is as long as the tank (about 20") and is turned on during the day, but left off at night
12-We change the water when it starts to look cloudy and we fully drain it, put in new water, drain it again, and repeat till it's clean
13-We use aged tap water (We put it in a container for a few days, that's what his owner used to do)
14-He has moss in his tank, but that's just so he has a place to get out of the water
15-About 1/3 of the tank on one side is a moss platform, on other side of tank there's a filter that pumps the water up and lets it run down some fake rocks, and then between the two there's some space with just water. There are some fabric plants in the two corners where the moss platform is.
16-I just fed him before I replied to this post (So around 5:15ish today)
17-I found poo this morning
18-He gets fed every Tuesday and Saturday
19-He gets fed Superworms (He usually eats 2-3, but today only ate 1 )
20-He doesn't get fed anything else
21-Superworms
22-He's fed in a separate tub, or else he doesn't eat the worms and they muck up the water
23-No vitamins, at least while we've had him
24-No calcium while he's been with us
25-Yes
27-I'm not sure, if his previous owner was giving it, for about 1-1/2 to 2 months
28-A friend of a friend (Sadly she passed from a rare form of cancer, which is why we have Pogo)
29-I believe captive bread
30-No gloves are used, we handle him when he is eating, and sometimes we'll bring him out to give him a bath (help him get off shedding skin he missed)
31-It's in my brother's room, we usually go in and check on him a few times a day (Since he's been getting stuck lately) and my brother is constantly in and out of his room
32-Not that I know of
33- We have not treated him with anything

Thanks for helping guys!!! Is there a specific brand of calcium treatment that anyone recommends/likes/uses???

~Emily

[elly]

I googled Superworms and apparently they have varying levels of calcium. As far as supplements I use Repashy Plus calcium which has other vitamins too, but I think any CalD3 supplement could work. (Experienced people, feel free to contradict me.) The supplement's not too hard to find, I found a jar of Fluker's Calcium plus D3 at my local walmart.

[Lija]

Hi Emily and welcome see in blue below, thank you for answering the questions.

Hello, and thanks for moving this thread, I just made the account today! :P
1- Whites Tree Frog
(I do not have images right now, although he has a filter in his tank that's like a mini "Waterfall" if you will, that's made of fake rocks.. but that only circulates the water a little it's not like it's a huge current, and he also has a land spot that has moss on it.)
4-W 20", D 10", H 17"
too small. How big is a frog?

5-He's the only creature in the tank
6-No previous tank mate
7-No new tank mate
8-I'm not sure, but he does have a light on the top of the tank, with a screen on top for ventilation.
9-I'm not sure of temperature either
10-He has a light, I'm not sure if it is supposed to heat, or just provide light
11-The light is as long as the tank (about 20") and is turned on during the day, but left off at night
12-We change the water when it starts to look cloudy and we fully drain it, put in new water, drain it again, and repeat till it's clean
13-We use aged tap water (We put it in a container for a few days, that's what his owner used to do)
14-He has moss in his tank, but that's just so he has a place to get out of the water
15-About 1/3 of the tank on one side is a moss platform, on other side of tank there's a filter that pumps the water up and lets it run down some fake rocks, and then between the two there's some space with just water. There are some fabric plants in the two corners where the moss platform is.
16-I just fed him before I replied to this post (So around 5:15ish today)
17-I found poo this morning
18-He gets fed every Tuesday and Saturday
19-He gets fed Superworms (He usually eats 2-3, but today only ate 1 )
20-He doesn't get fed anything else
21-Superworms
22-He's fed in a separate tub, or else he doesn't eat the worms and they muck up the water
23-No vitamins, at least while we've had him
24-No calcium while he's been with us
25-Yes
27-I'm not sure, if his previous owner was giving it, for about 1-1/2 to 2 months
28-A friend of a friend (Sadly she passed from a rare form of cancer, which is why we have Pogo)
29-I believe captive bread
30-No gloves are used, we handle him when he is eating, and sometimes we'll bring him out to give him a bath (help him get off shedding skin he missed)
31-It's in my brother's room, we usually go in and check on him a few times a day (Since he's been getting stuck lately) and my brother is constantly in and out of his room
32-Not that I know of
33- We have not treated him with anything

Thanks for helping guys!!! Is there a specific brand of calcium treatment that anyone recommends/likes/uses???

~Emily

sorry.... I started, but.... Emily, you need to go shopping and change almost everything.... Poor froggy....

Please read this Frog Forum - White's Tree Frog Care - Litoria caerulea

get proper humidity and temperature gauges. - Walmart, etc, any combo they sell for home, I think it's about 6-8$.

food - no superworms! They are fattening and very hard to digest = impaction and overweight unhealthy frog.

Water - you need to get watet conditioner, I prefer Prime, but any water conditioner they sell for fish tanks or reptiles will do.

Take all moss out too.
You need to get ca/d3 and multivitamin powders.

the things you needs to do asap. Get unflavoured pedyalite, do a bath for a frog. Warm solution (80ishF), level no higher then frogs chin, 20 min. Solution you need 1 part of water, 5 parts of pedyalite. do baths every day for 4-5 days, same concentration. Please update how it goes, depending on a situation the concentration might be different.

get repti aid by fluckers ( i think). Use it daily, you can just dust food with it every feeding for at least 2 weeks.

for absolutely everything use only conditioned water.

When you post pic of your set up I have a very strong feeling you will need to change things here too.

if you have to handle Pogo - wash your hands well, then put on disposable no powdered gloves or rinse your hands in conditioned water.

[Mentat]

Hello and welcome to FF! I'm sorry your frog is sick; guess the chlorine in water and lack of CA/D3 finally got to it. Please follow Lija's advice as soon as possible. This is the product she recommended: Repta Boost Insectivore/Carnivore.

You need to dechlorinate water because today's chloramines are stable in water and will not gas off like chlorine of the past.

For vitamins you can get separate products (CA/D3 and vitamins) from either Repashy (what I use) or RepCal. Here are some sample schedules to get you started: http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...schedules.html. Repashy also has an all in one product called Calcium Plus made for daily use. If you can't find Pedialyte; any unflavored plain baby electrolyte solution will do. Good luck!

[elly]

I didn't know modern chlorine was stable in water. Thanks!