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    Default Protozoa, but it's okay?

    I had a fecal sample done and apparently Bonk, my White's, still has protozoa, but the vet doesn't want to treat him again. He said that as long as the frog doesn't have runny poop and is eating normally everything should be okay. Is this reasonable? I don't think it would be a good idea to treat him again so soon after his first treatment, but I'm not sure about not treating him at all.

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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    Most Protozoa are commercial and there is no need to treat, sometimes "free range" Protozoa gets in a poop to show false positive results.
    So it all depends, if Protozoa present in small amounts, frog is eating, feeling ok, poops are formed and normal, treatment is not recommended.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    He said there were a lot, so I was wondering. Bonk's poop is mostly solid, so I guess he's okay otherwise. Thanks for answering.

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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    Anyone have any idea if it would be okay to move him into his permanent tank now, or would it contaminate the tank?

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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    How long has it been since treatment? I'd, personally, wait 4 weeks after treatment is finished before moving him to the qt tank.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    Thanks. It's only been a couple of weeks. I'll give him more time to flush the protozoa out if you think that's what will happen.

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    I think it's safer in case he starts exhibiting symptoms again. It will be easy to spot in quarantine and will not infect your permanent tank.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    Okay, so what should I look for? Do I need to take him back in for runny poop or does it need to be a more severe symptom?

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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    I would take him back for runny poop, or at least call and let the vet know he's symptomatic again and you'd like to pursue a second round of treatment.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    No, in general keeping for 4 weeks is not really needed.

    what he as treated for initially?
    if lots of protozoa present u would treat even if no symptoms are not there and especially if it is WC frog.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    I didn't think 4 weeks of quarantine post treatment would be too long when the protozoa is still present. If it all came back clear, I'd say go for it, but I would think this guy is still at risk with the vet saying there was a lot.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    what I meant was that you don't need to keep in qt after treatment is done and test come back ok. But in Elly case as i said I would opt for repeat treatment, depending on what was initial cause and current results.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lija View Post
    what I meant was that you don't need to keep in qt after treatment is done and test come back ok. But in Elly case as i said I would opt for repeat treatment, depending on what was initial cause and current results.
    Sorry, I see the "in general" that I didn't notice before. Sometimes I read to quickly and not carefully enough when at work.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    His poops have become solid...but I'm still wary of putting him in the permanent tank and possibly contaminating it. If he's showing no symptoms in a couple weeks should I have the vet treat him anyway?

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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    That is a question to ask your vet, it's hard to advise not knowing what a frog was treated for, what meds, dosage, protocol was used, what were fecals findings before and after the treatment.
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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    Elly, what kind of Metro did you use on him, injectable? That's the type dripped on the back right? How much does Bonk weigh and how much med did the vet say to use on him? My treatment for my frogs' coccidia (injecting wax worms with Metro and feeding them to the frogs) isn't really working out. Thinking about using the drip method with the injectable Metro for my guys too, but wondering about the effectiveness after reading your post
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    I don't know what kind of metro was used and sadly it's been a while so I can't remember whether the dosage was 2cc, .2cc or.02 cc. It was in a very tiny syringe. Bonk weighed 22 grams though. All I can suggest is to call your vet.

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    Anyone know if this is good advice? Mostly for my own reference I'm posting it here:
    (Vetinary Notes on parasites)

    http://www.doylesdartden.com/AGD_31.html

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    Default Re: Protozoa, but it's okay?

    The link to Vetinary Notes: Parasites the link doesn't seem to work. But there's a link on the main page too.

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    Very nicely written!
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