Feeding a Pacman frog in winter

[Lija]

Yeah a frog looks ok and lived for over a year now... Still this schedule or food sources dont look right to me. Seafood = big quantities of salt, but then he is not getting lots of it. His main diet is live frogs... I wont even go there.... It is bad on so many levels... I'm sorry I can't comprehend what might possibly be a reason of keeping a frog on a diet like that other then not knowing otherwise.

[Yuri352]

Thank you friends for your attention to my post!
My post - it's just information.
Pacman (male, Ceratophrys cranwelli) with good health (and hopefully in the future).
Yes, it's a little experiment that lasts 1.5 years.

Feed summer - live frogs (easy to catch in the garden).
Pacman - frog "Terminator" and adapted it for hunting frogs. Implies that the main prey in nature - it's frogs and other amphibians.

Feed in the winter - Seafood (easy to buy), once a month, and it is "easy protein".
Because of the dry autumn, has not had time to catch frogs and freeze for the winter.

This animal does not participate in reproduction and loaded it with food does not make sense.
I think the diet Pasman based on mice feed and forage insects more are unusual to this frog.

The site is very much interesting information, I read with pleasure.
Thank you.

[Mentat]

Hi Yury! Be careful feeding large prey or food amounts. If it starts rotting in digestive system can kill frog. Throwing up for frogs is dangerous too. Good luck !

[Yuri352]

Hi Yury! Be careful feeding large prey or food amounts. If it starts rotting in digestive system can kill frog. Throwing up for frogs is dangerous too. Good luck !

Thank you!
Summer - aft frog - a 1/2 length Pasman (no more), and digested in 1.5 weeks (before the appearance of feces).
Winter - Seafood much longer, so less excrement (no "waste" because protein foods at 100%).

Sometimes I add meat and bone meal (white).

[DVirginiana]

If it's working, then I guess it's working... But nightcrawlers and insects such as crickets or dubia roaches are definitely easier to digest. These frogs would never get seafood in the wild, and it's a completely unnatural food source, and with feeding frogs in the summer you run a huge risk of parasites.
My honest opinion of this is that you might have a healthy frog for a year or two, but that it's not a good long-term diet. There's a difference between what's best for the frog and something that just isn't bad enough to kill it.

Also, I know they eat frogs in the wild, but like my vet said when he was talking about letting dogs chew bones "Coyotes chew bones all the time in the wild, but no one hears about it when the coyote has a perforated intestine because of it". I see feeding pacs wild-caught frogs as about the same way.

[Lija]

Okay lemme me remember some russian here lol my russian is pretty rusty, sorry, I tried and it is translit... So.... Hope you get it.

juri, Pacmanu nuzhno nemnogo druguju dietu, pojmanije liagushki = parasiti i vizmozhnije bolezni, moreprodukti soderzhat mnogo soli. Ja neponiala eto ti exsperiment delaesh ili chto?

oh gosh... Autocorrect is killing me... I just tried to say wild caught frogs are all full of parasites and will infect your frog. They are also possible carriers of all sorts of diseases, including chytrid and ranavirus, both of them will kill your frog if infected.
i would never dream of getting wild caught frog anywhere near my collection without 2-4-6 months quarantine, testing for rana and chytrid, treated and getting full bill of heath.
seafood has high salt content, feeding a prey that is too large will lead to all sorts of digestive problems and can subsequently kill your frog as well. Having said that I wish you and your frog all the best

[Yuri352]

Thank you friends for an interesting discussion!
Reading the forum, I assumed a similar view.
I will allow say my opinion.

1. Feeding of live frogs.
a) Parasites are known, they are very specific and are harmful particular species of frogs.
b) Infestation victims virtually impossible. Frogs can be intermediate hosts of the parasites to other animals (eg: mammals), but this does not apply to others frogs.
c) Any predator has a strong immunity to viral and other diseases of the victims. Pacman - a real predator.
d) All feed frog caught in ecologically clean place.

2. Winter feeding seafood.
a.) Use molluscs that contain protein and micronutrient elements easy.
b) I do not understand why in marine molluscs should be a lot of salt (what kind of salt?).

For example, I also do not understand how Pacman feed crickets and cockroaches, if you look at the structure of Pacman.
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Image source Reptipedia, the Reptile and Amphibian Wiki

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Image source Wikimedia Commons

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Image source Skeleton of the week 26

The presence of strong skull, teeth and jaw strength indicates strong predator.
Cockroaches and crickets - is fodder for the weak frogs.

I said my opinion and it is good that you have other rules feeding Pacman, may be compared.
Thank you.

[GrifTheGreat]

Thank you friends for an interesting discussion!
Reading the forum, I assumed a similar view.
I will allow say my opinion.

1. Feeding of live frogs.
a) Parasites are known, they are very specific and are harmful particular species of frogs.
b) Infestation victims virtually impossible. Frogs can be intermediate hosts of the parasites to other animals (eg: mammals), but this does not apply to others frogs.
c) Any predator has a strong immunity to viral and other diseases of the victims. Pacman - a real predator.
d) All feed frog caught in ecologically clean place.

2. Winter feeding seafood.
a.) Use molluscs that contain protein and micronutrient elements easy.
b) I do not understand why in marine molluscs should be a lot of salt (what kind of salt?).

For example, I also do not understand how Pacman feed crickets and cockroaches, if you look at the structure of Pacman.
picture №1

Image source Reptipedia, the Reptile and Amphibian Wiki

picture №2

Image source Wikimedia Commons

picture №3
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/70...0/703/9vnv.jpg
Image source Skeleton of the week 26

The presence of strong skull, teeth and jaw strength indicates strong predator.
Cockroaches and crickets - is fodder for the weak frogs.

I said my opinion and it is good that you have other rules feeding Pacman, may be compared.
Thank you.

Crickets are more for young frogs. Young frogs are weak and so need a prey that is easily overpowered. They lack nutrition as a prey item and are really not a great choice. Adult pacman frogs should be fed larger prey, but only to an extent.

The presence of a large armored skull and dorsal shield are features of a strong predator. The skin is also rigid and tough to protect from injury from prey of the frog and from a predator.

They are frog eaters and readily feed on various frogs when available. I would be more worried about disease rather than parasites.

I believe the salt content in question is from the mollusks coming from the ocean. As you know the ocean waters are high in salt, but sea creatures expell the salt from their cells through their gills. Content should be relatively low in salt, but perhaps should be checked. I believe squid expell it through their sciphon. Salt water is dangerous for land animals as it causes cells in their digestive tract to lose water and shrink causing severe illness and possible death.

I do not have knowledge of your winter food source being harmful so I cannot really say that you will have any issues. Food size is an issue though. Try not to feed overly large prey items. In the wild they have been found dead with prey that is too large stuck in their mouth. The frog sufficated because it was unable to spit out the prey. Vomitting is also bad because they have to prolapse their stomach to do so and if there are complications that do not allow the frog to place the stomach back inside, the frog will die.

Thank you for sharing. This forum relies on caution to protect the well being of member's animals.

Earthworms make a good nutritious food for your frog if you would like to add those to your frog's diet. Roaches are also nutritious. Protein is good for them, but remember nutrition is about balance. Too much of one molecule and not enough of another can be harmful.