Medication and Single Quarantine Tank?

[irThumper]

I have some video of Shirley's head tilt problem... don't remember if I posted it yet or not, thought I had in another thread somewhere... will go look.

Here it is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNYV...ature=youtu.be

[Lija]

No, it is def not chytrid. Head tilt looks like neuro damage, why, Im not sure. I'm assuming their food is supplemented properly, you keep them clean and use dechlor water. Am I right?
are they WC or cb?

coccidiosis in frogs is usually difficult to diagnose, oocysts in fecal matter are often misinterpreted. Again assuming your vet is right and it is coccidiosis. Depending on a species they might be found not just in digestive system, but elsewhere too. If that is the case it is possible it causes neuro like symptoms.

Not sure who is your vet, didn't quite get it from FB link, but do you want to contact Dr. Frye for second opinion?

[irThumper]

No, it is def not chytrid. Head tilt looks like neuro damage, why, Im not sure. I'm assuming their food is supplemented properly, you keep them clean and use dechlor water. Am I right?
are they WC or cb?

coccidiosis in frogs is usually difficult to diagnose, oocysts in fecal matter are often misinterpreted. Again assuming your vet is right and it is coccidiosis. Depending on a species they might be found not just in digestive system, but elsewhere too. If that is the case it is possible it causes neuro like symptoms.

Not sure who is your vet, didn't quite get it from FB link, but do you want to contact Dr. Frye for second opinion?

Yep. They are CB, supplied to Petco by Sandfire. Frogs in QT- 5 al tank per 2 frogs, paper towel substrate. Crickets gut loaded on Fluker's dry high calcium diet fed on daily basis. Dusting crickets with Reptocal supplement (has Calcium, D3 and Vit A, etc) once a week. Water for soaking and spraying is bottled spring water. Temps daytime 77-81 F nighttime, I try for 75 but has been as low as 72 before I got my 60 watt red bulb.

The vet is Aaron Stachmus- Brookwood Animal Clinic Oklahoma City OK. I found him on FB; he raises his own reptiles and guarantees them vet checked (being he's a vet) tested and free of parasites so asked if he could run a test. Here is his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/VetCheckedReptiles Our closest herp vets are about an hour from here and most vets won't do a fecal without seeing the animal (don't know why that is because our vet (retired) back in the day would do a dog, cat or farm animal fecal test without having to see the animal??) I showed Dr. Stachmus pics of our frogs along with their measurements.

Does Dr. Frye ever come on FrogForum or do email or is it only by phone? I would appreciate a 2nd opinion if you think it's needed? I'm going to try to medicate the frogs tonight, but I want to make sure I'm doing the right thing....

[Lija]

second opinion is not really needed, runny/gello poop= Protozoa = metro treatment.

Are you using vitamins?

[irThumper]

second opinion is not really needed, runny/gello poop= Protozoa = metro treatment.

Are you using vitamins?

The Reptocal has the following vitamins: A, D3, E, MENADIONE, THIAMINE, RIBOFLAVIN, D-PANOTHENIC ACID, NIACIN, VIT B6, FOLIC ACID, BIOTIN, VIT B12, CHOLINE, INOSITOL, P-AMINOBENZOIC ACID

[irThumper]

Here's what he sent me for dosing the frogs: Flagyl Suspension 25 mg/ml - Give 0.04 cc per 10 grams body wt once weekly for three weeks; he recommended orally using the injected wax worms. Here is what he listed per frog:

Jelly Bean, 5 g wt: 0.02 ml
Sheila, 9 g wt: 0.04 ml
Honey-Lime, 7 g wt: 0.03 ml
Shirley, 11 g wt: 0.04 ml

Fecal test was $23
Med $17
3 1.0 ml syringes $1.50
Postage $6.50

(Just found Dr. Frye's email on this post http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html Hope it's still current?)

How do I read the syringe to tell what is 0.02 (etc)...??? I'll have to take a pic of the syringe and post it...

[Lija]

Here's what he sent me for dosing the frogs: Flagyl Suspension 25 mg/ml - Give 0.04 cc per 10 grams body wt once weekly for three weeks; he recommended orally using the injected wax worms. Here is what he listed per frog:

Jelly Bean, 5 g wt: 0.02 ml
Sheila, 9 g wt: 0.04 ml
Honey-Lime, 7 g wt: 0.03 ml
Shirley, 11 g wt: 0.04 ml

Fecal test was $23
Med $17
3 1.0 ml syringes $1.50
Postage $6.50

(Just found Dr. Frye's email on this post http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html Hope it's still current?)

How do I read the syringe to tell what is 0.02 (etc)...??? I'll have to take a pic of the syringe and post it...

That is correct. You also need to completely desinfect qt tanks every day and absolutely everything in them and change gloves in between tanks.

0.02ml is exactly that 0.02 ml (metric system lol) you need insuline syringe, that tiny skinny 1ml one, stub the cup on a bottle if your meds, turn it upside down and get required amount in a syringe.

[irThumper]

That is correct. You also need to completely desinfect qt tanks every day and absolutely everything in them and change gloves in between tanks.

0.02ml is exactly that 0.02 ml (metric system lol) you need insuline syringe, that tiny skinny 1ml one, stub the cup on a bottle if your meds, turn it upside down and get required amount in a syringe.

Oog. I've been using gloves, and changing them between tanks, but I've been doing regular cleaning and not a complete disinfect! I'm going to take the live plant out of Shirley and Honey's tank and give them silk plants like Jelly and sHEila have, much easier to disinfect! I'm also going to switch from porous teracotta pots to glazed ceramic ones for the same reason.

[irThumper]

Here's a vid I took of everyone today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNC2...ature=youtu.be

Here's pics of the syringe. I've never dosed anything so small! Sorry for my ignorance (I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree when it comes to math and measurement stuff) but the syringe is marked from 0.1 to 1.0... where is 0.02 and so on-- is that 0.2 on the syringe or the small lines before 0.1...? Totally embarrassing, but ask it not know it not! Those WOULD be the small lines, right? Handy calculator and 0.01 x 10= 0.1, so yeah :P

[Mentat]

... Water for soaking and spraying is bottled spring water...

Please do not start a new thread when dealing with previously described health issue/event. It makes following up much harder and could cause the missing of important information .

Lija has given you great help in here. Bottled spring water could be anything that meets city/state codes for human drinking. It could be over-filtered or even have added chloramines. Unless you know exactly how is that water processed; strongly recommend using dechlorinated tap (Seachem Prime or ExoTerra Aquatize work great). More on subject in here: http://www.frogforum.net/vivarium-te...hing-else.html. Good luck treating frogs !

[Lija]

Carlos is right about the water, you should use prime or similar for bottled water too.

and yes these are small lines you need 2 small lines below the zero for 0.02

[irThumper]

Carlos is right about the water, you should use prime or similar for bottled water too.

and yes these are small lines you need 2 small lines below the zero for 0.02

Thanks! Does filtering the spring water using a Brita filter help? I better go get some dechlorinator just in case... We can't even drink the tap water here btw, it's filled with rust and is just nasty. Landlord won't upgrade the plumbing...

[Lija]

No prob, but get prime, it us about 6$ and will last you for a long time

[flybyferns]

Lisa,
Just want to say what great care you are giving your frogs

The de-chlor is needed ( I use ExoTerr Aquatize ) it's cheap and comes w/ a dropper.
Simply save a gallon water bottle to make a gallon at a time.

The vits:
Consider alternating more than one brand:
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...pplements.html

The head-tilt:
Sometimes they can develop an inner ear infection causing there equilibrium to be off > if this is the case I believe the Metro will work ; you could ask the vet.
or
It's possible ( of course very hard to know) it could be from pain? He could be retracting or what is called "reeling"

QT tanks
They look perfect. May I suggest...you try ...if possible... to separate the tanks. This will reduce the possibility of any cross contamination.
You kind of want to set up a 'lab' type environment. Lots of gloves! Change gloves between tanks. Careful never to mix soaking dishes
Keep the trash emptied!

Good luck with all of this ---- you have a big job there !

[irThumper]

Via Carlos: Please do not start a new thread when dealing with previously described health issue/event. It makes following up much harder and could cause the missing of important information .

Lija has given you great help in here. Bottled spring water could be anything that meets city/state codes for human drinking. It could be over-filtered or even have added chloramines. Unless you know exactly how is that water processed; strongly recommend using dechlorinated tap (Seachem Prime or ExoTerra Aquatize work great). More on subject in here: Water: Distilled vs purified vs everything else. Good luck treating frogs !

Sorry about that I've been posting various places because I'm trying to get info to help my frogs and I don't always get replies.... :/ This post was primarily about whether or not the frogs could be housed in a single 10 gal QT tank, though, which is something I haven't previously posted anywhere else. Also you'll have to forgive me if I tend to repeat stuff, I have trouble remembering things sometimes-- old concussion from car wreck with lasting negative results, faulty memory and transposition which is like dyslexia, where I type/write/sometimes say things mixed up vs seeing words and letters jumbled up. Again, sorry, I just want to help my babies get better...