Medication and Single Quarantine Tank?

[irThumper]

I'm going to try to medicate Shirley, Honey-Lime, sHEila, and Jelly Bean tomorrow night with wax worms and metronidazole suspension (wish me luck!) So far the two sets of froggles have each been residing in a 5 gallon QT tank (they were all originally tank mates at Petco); Shirley and Honey are 30 days post quarantine and Jelly Bean and "He" are at day number 21. Once I start medicating them would it be ok to move them all into one 10 gallon quarantine tank for this phase, or should I just leave them in the 5 gal set ups until the three week medication process has passed (I'm to dose them orally once a week for three weeks) and then wait for a negative fecal sample before I move them to the 10 gallon?

[irThumper]

Also, according to what I've read in the WTF books I have, juvenile WTFs (1/2" to 1 1/2") are to be fed daily, while sub-adults (1 1/2" to 2") can be fed every other day and adults (3"+) every 2-3 days. Jelly Bean is probably 1 1/2" now (have to measure everyone again) and everyone else is in the every-other-day feeding size, however, I've been feeding them every day since I worry with the coccidiosis they are losing nutrients. Is it ok to continue to feed them every day until they have cleared up?

[Lija]

I'm a bit confused... What are you treating they from?

But yes, you can feed then while treating, in fact you should feed them! And supplement food too. They will need all nutrients they can get to fight with whatever is happening.

and yes you should keep them separately for the duration of treatment and follow proper qt procedures. Once fecals are clean after the treatment you can move them to their permanent home. Keeping separately is needed so you can monitor each separately and test each separately too. It is possible they are not going to respond to treatment the same and one or more will need follow up treatment.

[irThumper]

I'm a bit confused... What are you treating they from?

But yes, you can feed then while treating, in fact you should feed them! And supplement food too. They will need all nutrients they can get to fight with whatever is happening.

and yes you should keep them separately for the duration of treatment and follow proper qt procedures. Once fecals are clean after the treatment you can move them to their permanent home. Keeping separately is needed so you can monitor each separately and test each separately too. It is possible they are not going to respond to treatment the same and one or more will need follow up treatment.

Sorry, I forget that not everyone sees all posts, lol... Got my frogs from Petco- 2 of them on Oct 1 and 2 of them on Oct 9. Honey-Lime is the first one to start having runny stools, the others eventually followed suit, so I had a fecal test done and it come back positive for coccidiosis. I just got the medication in and the vet wants me to give it to them orally, once a week for three weeks. I have to figure out the best way TO get it into them. One way is with a blunt tipped needle, but I don't have any, haven't been able to find them locally, and will have to order them... which will take more time. So the vet said that if I can inject the med into a wax worm and get them to eat it that it will be a less stressful way to medicate them. I just have to figure out if I can get that stuff into the worm, and if not what an alternate way of medicating them will be. (They are being fed gut loaded cricets daily, btw, dusted with Reptocal with Calcium, D3, and Vit A once a week).

I got to be thinking that with Shirley having the additional problem of a head tilt (unknown how she got that, suspect injury, but...?) and Honey not gaining weight or seeming to grow much, that they should stay in their 5 gal. Jelly Bean and sHEila (who turned out to be a boy) are growing, and active, and even though they were in the same tank at Petco, and have some loose poop, I'm worried about them becoming too restless in the 5 gallon and starting to injure themselves. The 10 gallon would still be a quarantine tank, just a bigger quarantine tank. Should I still keep them in their own 5 gal they're in UNLESS they start to hurt themselves? I don't want to have to treat nose rubs or cuts on top of the other

The two 5 gallon QT tanks side by side

[irThumper]

Also, according to what I've read in the WTF books I have, juvenile WTFs (1/2" to 1 1/2") are to be fed daily, while sub-adults (1 1/2" to 2") can be fed every other day and adults (3"+) every 2-3 days. Jelly Bean is probably 1 1/2" now (have to measure everyone again) and everyone else is in the every-other-day feeding size, however, I've been feeding them every day since I worry with the coccidiosis they are losing nutrients. Is it ok to continue to feed them every day until they have cleared up?

To clarify, they are being fed EVERY day, though age and size wize they can apparently be fed every OTHER day. Just wanted to know if I should keep them on a daily feeding regime at this point instead of switching to every other day?

[Lija]

Would you please describe symthoms and findings. Also what test was done, regular flotation or something else?

Are they to tong trained? If so you should just inject meds into your wax worm, or whatever else they like.

yes, if they eat every day, feed them every day. Cover 3 sides of each tank, if you see they are not comfortable, cover the 4th side too.

[irThumper]

Symptoms have been loosely formed to gelatinous stool and poor growth rate in one frog (in my opinion, as these are my first White's). I'm not sure if the symptoms of the frog with head tilt is related, she was before now the healthiest and fattest of the four, but since the onset of the head tilt she's lost some weight. She's still going after the crickets, but unless she can hit them just right they will get away. Also she's expending a lot of energy whenever she loses her balance turning right as she falls and rolls over. One smart thing I've seen her do is walk along the wall while propping herself up with her right feet ON the wall so she's actually more level, but that doesn't work when in the middle of the tank. If you are thinking her symptoms could be Chytrid related please let me know (I read your post in email before I saw it here)...

Here is the reply back from the vet in OK who did the fecal test and prescribed the Flagyl: "P&G's Vet Checked ReptilesVery cute frogs! I've had a chance to look at your fecal sample. I have found coccidia on their floatation and nothing on their fecal smear." So no worms detected apparently, but the other nasties were there.

[irThumper]

I have some video of Shirley's head tilt problem... don't remember if I posted it yet or not, thought I had in another thread somewhere... will go look.

Here it is... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNYV...ature=youtu.be

[Lija]

No, it is def not chytrid. Head tilt looks like neuro damage, why, Im not sure. I'm assuming their food is supplemented properly, you keep them clean and use dechlor water. Am I right?
are they WC or cb?

coccidiosis in frogs is usually difficult to diagnose, oocysts in fecal matter are often misinterpreted. Again assuming your vet is right and it is coccidiosis. Depending on a species they might be found not just in digestive system, but elsewhere too. If that is the case it is possible it causes neuro like symptoms.

Not sure who is your vet, didn't quite get it from FB link, but do you want to contact Dr. Frye for second opinion?