I hear you Lynn, and good job trying to keep the bloodlines fresh ...basically I just try to give the best info I can based on my experience and my understanding of others experience that I've gleaned over the years, and give some of the reasons why... then let the person decide. If it's something really bad I try to be polite first usually, 2nd and 3rd... if I can't get through after that the claws may come out.

I don't think a 20vert for 2 darts is insane, but while I won't attack someone for it, I also can't in good conscienc endorse it. And I agree sometimes you just to work with what the person has or can do for now. Freaking out and running them off the forums doesn't help us, them, or the animals, but occasionally someone just has to be told in a less tben friendly way their being cruel to their animals, because we've exhausted every diplomatic option

As experience vs size... I'd say either can result in breeding. You could have a really good vivs maker that puts in all kinds of climbs, ledges, tunnels, and then plants stuff over some of that stuff so that not only didn't they loose any usable space they actually doubled it or more. But then you can have some with not particularly good vivs, but just by virtue of size has enough hides, micro fauna and micro climates that the frogs do fine as long as the tank isn't over stocked.

While sometimes experience and skill will let you get away with some things, you still have to preach what's going to be best for most, even if you don't always do it yourself, but then ultimately I think as the best keepers mature they actually start following their own advice all the time and stop trying to get away with what can work so they don't loose animals that didn't have to be lost. Sometimes frogs are gonna die, but as a keeper sarts to see the majority of his/her animals reaching their max lifespan, they finally get the proof that going above and beyond what works has its rewards.

Also a.lot of people use breeding as evidence that what they are doing works and should be perfectly fine, and it is a valid point, but we've seen mating take place in shipping crates while the frogs crossed the ocean packed in like sardines and likely with a few DOAs. We've seen it occur in horrible overcrowded, or poorly constructed vivariums. So you can be doing things straight up wrong and still get fertile eggs, pull them and raise them or maybe have a few TADS morph out of a water bowl as long as you don't let it dry up.

So IMO while breeding is some evidence that things are OK, you have to look at how long the parents lived after that, how eggs went bad, how many TADS failed to morph, how many frog lets failed to thrive and then ultimately how many of your animal get to their max life span.

I'd say in the end the only real proof that you are for sure doing it right is when you realize you've got a bunch of geriatric frogs over 10 years old who can still breed, high morph out success rate and just aren't loosing animals once the've been in your care for awhile.