Question on color

[DigitalPunk]

Ziggy -

1. Formatting your response will help people read through it easier.

2. I don't think anyone on the FF staff will ever claim to be an expert, but we do successfully keep frogs and do our best to share that knowledge with others. Everyone is welcome to keep their frogs anyway they like, but we will continue to point out things that are being done that fall outside of the normal acceptable care. You may have great success with your setup, but that is not the typical results and is not recommended. No amount of run-on sentences will change that.

3. Grif is a well respected moderator on the forums. Very knowledgeable and helpful. From what I have read of your posts you seem to be an expert on everything and are unwilling or unable to accept criticism or advice without taking it personally or as with this response bashing and hateful.

4. If you have a problem with a member or moderator that warrants a response such as the one you attempted to provide above I recommend you take your grievance and attitude to a Private Message and talk things out like an adult.

Consider this your first warning. You may not agree with advice given on the forum, but it is proven standard of care that works.

[AKFROG]

Well said Paul!

[GrifTheGreat]

I think you need to take a breath. 1 Peat is usually found in bogs in cool climates. Maine being one such place and Scandinavia. There are other places and other species so perhaps there is a subspecies around Uraguay and Paraguay.

2. The word nocturnal explains every reason why you should not place them outside in the sun.

3. As I've said, they are not native and have no resistance to any pathogen here. Sadly you feel I'm wrong about this in which case I'll recomend you to do a little research.

4. Not once have I ever claimed to be an expert and I do know more than you obviously and no matter how rude or unaccepting of information I provide you are matters not to me.

As for tank size. This is not just my standard. This is the standard that the published experts state. I guess you can try and contact one of them(which i do) and ask them. You also insinuate that I have only small tanks in which case you would be wrong. Large frog equals large tank. I also consult a veterinary professional weekly.

Anytime I step in to relay information that someone doesn't like this is what happens. They get bent out of shape and attack me. I just brush it off because I'm used to it. As Paul said they are your animals so do what you want. I'll no longer give you advice since it is clearly not why you are here.

[Randy]

I think you need to take a breath. 1 Peat is usually found in bogs in cool climates. Maine being one such place and Scandinavia. There are other places and other species so perhaps there is a subspecies around Uraguay and Paraguay.

2. The word nocturnal explains every reason why you should not place them outside in the sun.

3. As I've said, they are not native and have no resistance to any pathogen here. Sadly you feel I'm wrong about this in which case I'll recomend you to do a little research.

4. Not once have I ever claimed to be an expert and I do know more than you obviously and no matter how rude or unaccepting of information I provide you are matters not to me.

As for tank size. This is not just my standard. This is the standard that the published experts state. I guess you can try and contact one of them(which i do) and ask them. You also insinuate that I have only small tanks in which case you would be wrong. Large frog equals large tank. I also consult a veterinary professional weekly.

Anytime I step in to relay information that someone doesn't like this is what happens. They get bent out of shape and attack me. I just brush it off because I'm used to it. As Paul said they are your animals so do what you want. I'll no longer give you advice since it is clearly not why you are here.

ok my answer pacman frogs are diurnal 2 your guessing on uraguay 3 you're wrong about the enclosure in the wild they have a whole jungle to roam its only common practice to house them in small cages it says you dont need them not that its not a good thing and 4 i was being as nice as i could considering you never agree with anything i post i did not say i do not disrespect your opinion i merely said my opinion and experience with this type of frog differ from yours. thanks for the infraction just because i disagreed with you . please read this article by Melissa Kaplan check her experience education and training she co-founded the northbay herpetological society About Melissa Kaplan... Ornates are usually diurnal frogs; some may be crepuscular. Like all frogs, they sleep with their eyes open. they are not always nocturnal in fact they are primarlly diurnal, i hope i do not get yet another infraction for pointing out the facts here .cre·pus·cu·lar

• ZOOLOGY
  (of an animal) appearing or active in twilight. Diurnal
  active chiefly in the daytime <diurnal animals> i know what it means . Fact and case there is my evidence base don fact from a professional trained by the zoological society .

[Randy]

Ziggy -

1. Formatting your response will help people read through it easier.

2. I don't think anyone on the FF staff will ever claim to be an expert, but we do successfully keep frogs and do our best to share that knowledge with others. Everyone is welcome to keep their frogs anyway they like, but we will continue to point out things that are being done that fall outside of the normal acceptable care. You may have great success with your setup, but that is not the typical results and is not recommended. No amount of run-on sentences will change that.

3. Grif is a well respected moderator on the forums. Very knowledgeable and helpful. From what I have read of your posts you seem to be an expert on everything and are unwilling or unable to accept criticism or advice without taking it personally or as with this response bashing and hateful.

4. If you have a problem with a member or moderator that warrants a response such as the one you attempted to provide above I recommend you take your grievance and attitude to a Private Message and talk things out like an adult.

Consider this your first warning. You may not agree with advice given on the forum, but it is proven standard of care that works.

My methods are proven as well and i can send you to sites and professional herpetologists who agree with them . I do not think you actually read all my posts but from now on i will back them up with references to the professionals i get them form .their qualifications and their sources so that you can read that first before you judge me .any more questions on this issue can be brought to me in private messaging i will be happy to respond in kind with the factual evidence required book page and source . ty have a nice day .