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    Just got the results of the fecal back, and it turns out it's negative so either a bacterial infection or Chytrid, I'm assuming...

    I'll consult the Vet tomorrow and hear his opinion. In the meantime, does anyone know of a way to treat Chytrid? I've heard of several methods, one involving something called lamasil, but I honestly will need to clear it with my Vet first. And if Thermidor indeed has Chytrid, we can assume it originated from one of my Firebelly Toads, and has spread to my entire collection of frogs... I'm praying it's a bacterial infection, but at this point it could be either. The rapid weight loss suggests Chytrid but the vomiting and runny stool point to Bacterial infection.

    However, Thermidor has had this problem for a long time. Were I to guess, it's been at least three to five weeks, possibly seven when it really first began (The short tongue may have been developing before I went on vacation, only I didn't notice it). However, can Chytrid take that much time to kill a frog? Also, is vomiting a symptom of such?
    My Amphibians:
    1.0.0 Rana Catesbiana (Bumpy Digtoad )
    1.0.0 Pseudacris Regilla (Levi )
    1.1.0 Ambystoma Macrodactylum (Urtham and Gargan )
    2.2.0 Bombina Orientalis ( Rosa, Sasha, Aleksis, and Dimitri )

    Rest in Peace, Gnag the Nameless, Chrome, and Thermidor

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    Default Re: Chorus frog very concerning behaviour

    Oh boy
    Sorry Caspain

    Good to hear you are talking to the vet about all of this!
    The frogs should be tested for Chytrid and Rana virus -- see post #7

    The lamisil treatment for positive (B. dendrobatidis)
    Lamisil AT spray
    1cc in 220 ml of distilled water
    soak entire frog /for 5 minutes / daily /for 15 days
    New lamisil solution needs to be made every 24 hours

    Athlete's Foot Spray | Athlete's Foot Treatment | LamisilAT

    QT tanks need to be bleach daily ( 1:10) during treatment ( and rinsed with de-chlorinator and water )
    then spray QT daily with the lamisil solution /don't rinse

    repeat Chytrid test

    It is very important to identify this as being positive.
    A swab should be sent to vetDNA.
    If it's positive; every frog needs to be treated.
    and
    Every tank will have to be dismantled/ treated/every plant and all substrate properly discarded

    Obviously, it would be just terrible to do this without conformation !!!

    Be sure to let the vet know about he vomiting.
    There are certainly other illnesses the frog could have?

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    Default Re: Chorus frog very concerning behaviour

    Sorry I haven't posted until now, been busy. Lotta homework these days, and I've got a notoriously terrible memory.

    Anyhow, talked to the Vet, and since it's actually illegal to keep Pacific Chorus frogs in BC (something I was unaware of up until six months or so ago) he can't send a sample testing for Chytrid to a proper lab, as it could come with legal issues. Nonetheless, since Thermidor's symptoms are so obscure but non-severe, we don't really know what it is. I don't think it's Chytrid considering Thermidor is still alive and is showing no other symptoms of such but I'm not cancelling out that as a possibility. But, since testing on such a small frog is difficult apart from a fecal sample or doing an autopsy, all we can do for now is really give him as good a life as I can offer, as giving him antibiotics for something we don't know could very well worsen his condition. For all we know, he could be dying of old age.

    So, for now, I've been keeping him in his own 5gallon (will upgrade to 10 gallon soon) with plants and a water bowl, and I've been feeding him regularly but keeping strict quarantine procedure. If he somehow becomes free of illness, and stays that way for over two months, I'll move him back into his main tank with Levi. But, if he passes, I'll likely have a necropsy done if I can afford it. I'll let you all know if the situation progresses in any way, shape, or form.
    My Amphibians:
    1.0.0 Rana Catesbiana (Bumpy Digtoad )
    1.0.0 Pseudacris Regilla (Levi )
    1.1.0 Ambystoma Macrodactylum (Urtham and Gargan )
    2.2.0 Bombina Orientalis ( Rosa, Sasha, Aleksis, and Dimitri )

    Rest in Peace, Gnag the Nameless, Chrome, and Thermidor

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