Chorus frog very concerning behaviour

[Jessalyn]

I'm not sure if this was meant for this thread or mine, but I think we both benefit from your advice, thank you!


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[flybyferns]

I'm not sure if this was meant for this thread or mine, but I think we both benefit from your advice, thank you!


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Caspain and Jessalyn...Thanks
I put the wrong name on the reply
(I did edit it)
I hope it didn't cause any confusion
I see you did- assumed that ....sorry
Funny things happen at the crack of dawn

[Gnag the nameless]

I think there was some confusion towards my last post, I'll just clarify a little. (No worries on it, though. I totally understand if you made a few errors whilst replying early in the morning -- I'm usually very groggy when I wake up.)

First off, Bumpy is fine. He's showing no bad behaviour whatsoever. Same goes for the Firebelly Toads and Salamanders. As for the Panacur and Calcium I was referencing, I was talking about previous times in the past I've gone to my Vet for Gnag and Bumpy's past ailments.

As for Thermidor, it's parasites or a bacterial infection, no doubt about it. Symptoms are: Diarrhea, eating but losing weight rapidly (For example, his tummy will shrink a little before I feed him, and then is a little plumper the day after but loses that before second feeding), and vomiting. With luck, since he's such a tiny frog, the medications will cost nothing or close to it. I also think we can try medicinal baths but with a solution of water and a tiny bit of the medications.

Talking about the medications, does anyone know how one could treat a small frog like a Pacific Chorus frog or Poison Dart frog for parasites and/or a bacterial infection considering they're too small to force feed?

I'm going to consult the Vet on Monday, and hopefully get the meds then too. I'll also place Levi in quarantine then, as I don't want to stress him into a the same state Thermidor is in until treatment begins. As for Thermidor's short tongue syndrome, I have little doubt that's what's caused this, as the lack of food due to short tongue brought on whilst I was on vacation caused weakness in immune system and the parasites to start to build up. Talking about the Short Tongue, in that aspect Thermidor is improving. But I'm definitely going to go through with the medications and Vet visit.

I've dealt with this before, with Bumpy about 2 years ago. It took a while to cure him since he was lethargic, but he's fine now, and since Thermidor is still eating hopefully this'll be resolved faster than the ordeal with Bumpy.

[Gnag the nameless]

Update:

Going to consult the Vet tomorrow, and hear his opinion. Hopefully, I'll be able to get Thermidor on some medications soon enough.

As for Thermidor, his tongue is getting better every day. He might even be able to catch his own food now. I've been feeding him every other day, 2-3 crickets, as is normal, and each time he goes through a kind of cycle. On the night I feed him, he's very skinny. Next morning, he's plump and stays that way either all of the day or most of it. Then, either that evening or next morning, he poops and becomes skinny again. His poops have been wet, watery, and like diarrhea, but relatively formed as in (apart from the liquid,) the contents of it stay together. Thermidor has also been sleeping a lot, but is still very energetic when awoken and at nighttime, and apart from the poop and rapid weight loss, is entirely normal. I've not seen any vomiting, either.

As for his tankmate, Levi, he's as fat as ever and is acting regular, as are the rest of my amphibians. This suggests that it is indeed a bacterial infection Thermidor has, not parasites, but I'm still keeping up strict quarantine procedure and am going to assume for now that Thermidor has both a bacterial infection and parasites.

[Lija]

Caspian, runny poop is almost always a sign of protozoa infection, it s possible the guy have multiple parasite species. If they were housed together, they need to be treated both too for the same things.

[Gnag the nameless]

Alright. I've dealt with protozoa before, 2 years ago with Bumpy, so if it is that chances are it won't be too difficult to deal with.

Update:

Thermidor produced a firm but a little underdigested poop this morning, using that one for the fecal exam.

Got back from the Vet visit just now. According to the Vet, it may very well be Chytrid due to the rapid weight loss Thermidor is experiencing, which is very bad. It could also just be parasites of some sort. If it's the former, though, then it may well have come from my Firebelly Toads, or simply from Thermidor himself. But chances are it's from the toads, because I have reason to believe he was experiencing either Short Tongue or whatever he was now before the vacation as well as if I recall correctly he was starting to look skinny then too. However, that could simply have been the short tongue on it's first stages, so for now it all depends on the fecal exam.

The Good News is is that the fecal will cost me exactly 0.00$ and I can drop it off tomorrow. So, at least it's all underway. And I forgot to mention the vomiting, so that suggests parasites as well... Never thought I'd say this, but crossing my fingers it's parasites or a bacterial infection. We'll see tomorrow.

[Gnag the nameless]

Just got the results of the fecal back, and it turns out it's negative so either a bacterial infection or Chytrid, I'm assuming...

I'll consult the Vet tomorrow and hear his opinion. In the meantime, does anyone know of a way to treat Chytrid? I've heard of several methods, one involving something called lamasil, but I honestly will need to clear it with my Vet first. And if Thermidor indeed has Chytrid, we can assume it originated from one of my Firebelly Toads, and has spread to my entire collection of frogs... I'm praying it's a bacterial infection, but at this point it could be either. The rapid weight loss suggests Chytrid but the vomiting and runny stool point to Bacterial infection.

However, Thermidor has had this problem for a long time. Were I to guess, it's been at least three to five weeks, possibly seven when it really first began (The short tongue may have been developing before I went on vacation, only I didn't notice it). However, can Chytrid take that much time to kill a frog? Also, is vomiting a symptom of such?