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    Default Re: False Tomato Frog: "blisters"? on upper eyelids & around nostrils

    Here are few answers; Lija might add more later. Good luck !
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    - First off, when you say 3 - 4 sides covered, do you mean by internal decor, or by external, so as not to let light in?

    Aquarium background paper or any paper you like applied on the outside to help reduce frog's stress.

    - Would his current 5 gal be suitable to keep him in while he recovers if I just switch the substrate to paper towel?
    What is the frog's length from snout to vent?

    - Is there any type of paper towel I should use, or is anything okay? I currently have some white "sponge towels" that I could use if they are sufficient?
    Plain white unprinted paper towel.

    - Should I just avoid using the silver sulfadiazine on his eyelids? Because if it's bad for his eyes I would worry he would move and get it into them.. he also wipes his face with his hands every once in a while, (I think it's a shedding thing), so should I worry about him ingesting some too? .. :S
    Don't worry, just apply a bit with q-tip as Lija suggested.

    - I'm going in to work tomorrow, so I'll pick up the melafix then, do you think the API brand is good?
    Melafix is made by API.

    - Also do you have any suggestions on where I might look for the silver sulfadiazineWould it be in a pharmacy?

    Pharmacy or first aid section of large department store.

    - Would (unpainted) plastic containers, or tupperware make good hides for the QT? I just don't have any plants or decor yet, but I have plenty of empty containers.

    You can try something opaque, or a piece of cork slab or new clean clay pot on it's side.


    - Should I just follow the mixing directions for fish treatment with the melafix, or are there different mixing ratios for frogs?

    Follow label mixing directions. You can pre-made a gallon of solution, store in a dark area (closed cabinet) and use as needed.

    - And just to be clear, should I leave only water in his soaking dish, and give him two 20min a day soaks in a separate dish? Or should I leave the soaking dish with treated water in it 24/7 and just change it daily like with regular conditioned water?

    Use Melafix solution to damp substrate paper towels and in soaking dish. Continue daily soaks too and can use eye dropper to apply Melafix solution to eye area during soak...
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomato Frog View Post

    I was curious, can I use night crawlers from my back yard, seeing as we do not use chemicals on the lawn, or would that still be unsafe? I read somewhere that night crawlers are less likely to carry harmful parasites.
    That is fine if your neighbors are far away.

    Also I have been feeding him 4 md-sm crickets a day.. but he ALWAYS seems hungry all day.. should I feed him more per day? He makes me feel like I'm starving him!


    Feed until frog is satiated, it need nutrients to heal. Crickets should be sized smaller than distance between frog's eyes and fed a gut load of carrots, lettuce, and cherios 24-48 hours before feeding frog.
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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    Default Re: False Tomato Frog: "blisters"? on upper eyelids & around nostrils

    He is 2.5", when I brought him home I think he was closer to 2", I did notice for the first few days home he would bump up against the tank, but he now just hops around without running into the sides much at all.
    The reason why I am unsure of how much to feed is because I see a lot of people saying feed as much as he will eat in 15 min, or over night, but I feed him throughout the day because I just personally think it can't be all that healthy for him to stuff himself in the morning and then go hungry the rest of the day.. does that make sense? I mean in the wild frogs and toads do not eat that much in so short a time.. (not unless they find an ant hill) so how can that be healthy for them.. maybe I'm just being a bit over concerned? I just know from experience with myself and from working with other animals, that feeding lass more frequently is way better than lots at once.

    Oh and I did start the melafix treatment, he seems to like it, the first night I switched him to the paper towel and put him in the melafix to soak he literally sat in it for longer than 4.5 hours straight and only hopped out when I offered him a cricket. I have also been misting him directly with the mixture to make sure his wounds are covered as well.
    Tonight is his third night of treatment and he has already been soaking for over an hour, and though his sores are still grey, the swelling has already started to go down.
    Here are some pics of him in his new set up:
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Size:  72.4 KB and there is a back ground now covering 5 of the 6 sides of his enclosure, I just took it down so I had better lighting for the pics.

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    Default Re: False Tomato Frog: "blisters"? on upper eyelids & around nostrils

    If swelling is going down already that is very good news . Your feeding method might work for you; but not all owners can feed a frog throughout the day. I feed darts once and the adult bigger frogs get a meal every couple days and they are all fine and healthy. That happens in nature too since food is not available for hunting all the time .
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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    Update on Pekoe.
    his injuries appear to be s-l-o-w-l-y getting a bit of orangey yellow back, but they have not healed to the degree I was hoping for within the week of treatments, they almost seem to now be at a stand still, AND he has not passed any feces in 4 or 5 days.. when he was on the coconut fiber he was going almost every day, but since feeding more, and changing him to paper towel substrate he has only pooped once.. (still urinating daily though) should I stop feeding him until he goes? I worry he will pop seeing at he has eaten between 30 and 40 small-medium crickets since his last poop.

    I have checked him for signs of any new blemishes, and felt him for hard spots, but there doesn't appear to be any new issues as of yet, though I wanted to ask for advice BEFORE anything new comes up, just incase.. better safe than sorry, you know?
    I also went to a drug store for the Flamazine and they told me I needed a prescription >.< *gurgle* I am guessing that means I need to pay a vet to see him and prescribe it to me. Now I've got to hope that at least one of the few non-exotics vets in the area would be willing to do that. I really hope I can figure this out :/ I am not giving up on him. <3

    Here are some pics I took today:
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    P.S. I have noticed he has small grey speckles under his chin.. which I read females have.. but the second night I had him he sang, which I thought only males did.. so I was wondering if I am wrong to presume "he" is male?

    Thanks again for any insight.

    - Dani

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    Default Re: False Tomato Frog: "blisters"? on upper eyelids & around nostrils

    Hi Dani! Can't open the last set of pics to see progress. As long as you do not feel a hard lump on his right side, doubt it's impacted. Toad is pooping less, probably because it's not ingesting substrate with crickets. When it comes to chronic issues, frogs and toads take time to recover from them. Do you have a MD in family or a family MD ? If yes; try and show him the thread and ask nicely for a prescription. Who knows, you might get it .
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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    Maybe this one will work? it's just a close up showing his face so you can see the injuries:
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    And that's a good idea, I had thought of asking, but didn't think they would take me seriously.. maybe if I show this thread it will work ^^ thanks for the idea

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    Default Re: False Tomato Frog: "blisters"? on upper eyelids & around nostrils

    Well I went to the health clinic yesterday, and I showed my Nurse Practitioner a picture of Pekoe and explained his condition, as well as the fact that Flamazine could help to heal him.. Sooo she gave me a free sample to use along with some swabs to apply it with . I applied some when I got home, and again twice today, but every time I put it on he wipes his eyes with his hand at least once, and tonight when I put it on I'm pretty sure he did get a bit in his left eye because he started screwing his eyes shut and held them that way for at least a minute. I also noticed that he was starting to shed shortly after I put it on, so rather than letting him eat the skin, I just discarded it so he wouldn't ingest any Flamazine by accident; because it's just a sample it has no label or instructions, so I wasn't sure if it would be safe for him to eat, and figured I'd rather be safe than sorry. I guess I'll give him an extra dusted cricket tonight :P

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    Default Re: False Tomato Frog: "blisters"? on upper eyelids & around nostrils

    What your tomato frog has is nose/eye rub. It has rubbed against the sides of it's enclosure that the friction has worn away part of the eye lids and nose. It will heal over but it will be permanently scared / discolored on the nose and the eye lids, which will never grow back, so the top of the eyeball will always be exposed. They can be fat and lazy and sit there for days, weeks, months on end but sometimes they do get very active and will jump around and rub their face into the side of the enclosure as they don't understand the invisible barrier that's stopping them. The exact same thing happened to one of mine but not as bad as yours. If I see her being energetic I usually feed her a lot of food to get her to settle down lol.

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