Trouble with Milk Frog please help!

[Frogman1031]

Hi! Welcome to the frog forum!!

Are you're two frogs together? If so then the bigger one may bully the smaller one. Or even eat it one day. Especially if there has been no quarantine that is very dangerous and could spread disease.

Can you answer these questions? Very important for us to help you. Written by Lynn and Grif

QUESTIONS


1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

Thanks!

[ATJC]

1 - Amaon Milk Frog
4 - 30 x 30 x 44
5 - 3
6 - no
7 - no
8 - not sure about humidity sorry
9 - between 23 and 25 degrees c
10 - heat mat underneath
11 - no lighting except from non-direct Arcadia aquarium UVB bulb
12 - water changes and misting everyday, springtails clear waste very effectively
13 - bottled mineral spring water
14 - coconut fibre (ProRep coco brick)
15 - silk hanging plants, fake vine, bogwood, glass feeding bowl, shallow rock water dish
16 - can't say crickets disappear over night but could be eaten by larger frogs
17 - yes but again possibly from larger frogs
18 - daily
19 - no. 2 crickets
20 - none
21 - no. 2 crickets in a glass bowl
22 - no but I let some roam today and no joy
23 - none I wasn't aware I needed any
24 - calcium dust from Swell UK everyday
25 - most likely if it wasn't eating
26 - about 5 weeks old I think
27 - around 4 weeks now
28 - don't know exotic-pets I suppose
29 - captive bred
30 - rarely and without gloves but wet, clean hands
31 - low traffic
32 - no it's still with the other two
33 - no medication

I'll post pictures of the enclosure and frog in a few minutes.

[ATJC]

There are a couple of pieces of carrot in there to avoid crickets nipping at it while it stays on the ground.

[Lija]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

you have quite a few problems here. Your tank is tiny for 3 milks.

Get pedyalite or whatever similar you have, look for electrolyte solution that is not flavoured or coloured.

Do a water bath, 5 parts of water, 1 part of water, keep a frog in there for about 20 min, water level no higher then frog chin.

After place it in a quarantine tank - wet papertowels, all 4 sides covered, foliage. find a vet and get it tested for parasites asap!

your water, can you pls specify what you meant by mineral spring bottled water. Is it spring water or mineral water? At any rate you better get water conditioner and use it for your tap water instead.

[ATJC]

Hi thanks for the reply how do I go about doing the bath? I'm a little confused sorry about that. It's mineral water and I have asked my local reptile shop but they only ever seem to use normal tap water without any conditioner and I thought that was a stretch hence the bottled water. I'll see if I can find any though. Oh please don't say parasites I don't understand how it could have got that the enclosure is relatively clean and it's been in the leaves the whole time away from dirt until now

[Lija]

You need to find a vet to do a fecal exam ( to test poop for parasites) for you sick and for your healthy ones. It is normal procedure for every newly purchased frog. Parasites are little things that are invisible to your eye, they are not dangerous to you.

Dont use mineral water - for US people, they sell mineral water in Europe, it is different from our spring water.
mineral while is healthy for humans can be very dangerous to frogs, depending on the amount of minerals in there.

Use regular your home tap water, the one you use but add water conditioner to it. You can buy it in any aquarium supplies stores. It is used to get water ready for aquariums. I love prime by seachem, but any would do.

[Lija]

And dont worry about asking questions, ask for clarification on any little thing you are not sure about.

[ATJC]

Thanks for the help. I have cleaned out an old plastic enclosure that I've been using for feeding my bearded dragon so I'll move it tomorrow or do you think it would be better to hand dry and move it immediately?

[flybyferns]

The sick frog needs to be transferred to a hospital tank.

Amazon Milk Frog
4 - 30 x 30 x 44
5 - 3 - remove the the sick frog- asap- into a hospital enclosure ( any small aquarium/ critter keeper or large food storage container with air holes in the lid)
6 - no
7 - no
8 - not sure about humidity sorry ( place flat/ very dampened paper towel on the bottom of the hospital enclosure ) you can place the sick frog directly on the paper towel. You want to see water but not floating.
9 - between 23 and 25 degrees continue to maintain proper temps for day and night- see care sheet below
10 - heat mat underneath monitor the the temp carefully - do not place the entire hospital tank on the heat mat
11 - no lighting except from non-direct Arcadia aquarium UVB bulb
12 - water changes and misting everyday, springtails clear waste very effectively continue to mist the hospital tank with de-chlorinated water / springtails are not necessary in hospital tanks
13 - bottled mineral spring water - do not use mineral water ---it is necessary to use properly de-chlorinated water ( use an amphibian safe de-chlorinator /product)
14 - coconut fibre (ProRep coco brick) use only the damp paper towel for the sick frog in the hospital tank - the frog should be alone until it is nearly the same size as its tank mates
15 - silk hanging plants, fake vine, bogwood, glass feeding bowl, shallow rock water dish- continue to use the glass bowl and a similar water dish ( even a clean cup saucer will do - the water should not be above the frogs chin. de-chlorinated water only. If you do not have de-chlorinator immediately . purchase 100% spring water from the market, temporarily. a small sprig of a plant the frog is used to can be taken from the main tank.
16 - can't say crickets disappear over night but could be eaten by larger frogs feed SMALL feed the sick frog a few dusted crick every night/ continue to use a similar bowl
17 - yes but again possibly from larger frogs
18 - daily
19 - no. 2 crickets feed the sick frog small crickets only - the proper size crickets should be no larger than the space between the frog's eyes.. smaller is better than too big.
20 - none
21 - no. 2 crickets in a glass bowl
22 - no but I let some roam today and no joy
23 - none I wasn't aware I needed any
24 - calcium dust from Swell UK everyday
25 - most likely if it wasn't eating
26 - about 5 weeks old I think
27 - around 4 weeks now
28 - don't know exotic-pets I suppose
29 - captive bred
30 - rarely and without gloves but wet, clean hands
31 - low traffic
32 - no it's still with the other two
33 - no medication

It is vitally important the care sheet be followed carefully w/ the exception of using a hospital
( QT - quarantine tank while the frog is ill )
Care sheet:
Amazon Milk Frog Care Sheet - Josh's Frogs How-To Guides for Reptiles & Amphibians

Quarantine instruction/ideas
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...uarantine.html