Hornwarms for pacman frogs?

[WakaWaka]

Hi i'm new to frog forums and just noticed how useful it could be when i was doing research on pacman frogs.

I recently bought a pacman frog (his name is Kirby ) and have been trying to no have a stable diet. I have so far had crickets and mealworms and am now trying Hornworms. Are hornworms something that is good for him or are they just really fatty worms?

[Frogman1031]

Frog Forum - Pacman and Horned Frogs - Ceratophrys - Care and BreedingHi! Welcome to frog forum! Hornworms are not a good staple diet. They are fatty and have little benefit to the frog. They should only be offered once in a while in order to vary the diet. The best staple food for a pacman is nightcrawlers. They can be bought from walmart or a bait shop. You MUST make sure that they are dye and chemical free though. For babies, you csn cut the nightcrawler to the appropriate size. Good luck!
P.S young pacmans might not want to take the nightcrawlers. In that case, feed them something else like crickets or dubias after offering the nightcrawlers every feeding. It is important that you keep offering them every feeding, even if they are not wanted. When he takes them regurlarly, you can stop with crickets/dubias and feed only noghtcrawlers and occasionally some variation. And don't forget to dust wity calcium and vitamins! Here is a caresheet as well.

[Mentat]

Hello and welcome to FF ! Hornworms are to frogs like glazed donuts to humans... very sweet and fatty; but you would not base your diet on them !

[WakaWaka]

Hello and welcome to FF ! Hornworms are to frogs like glazed donuts to humans... very sweet and fatty; but you would not base your diet on them !

This is weird, I heard that they have more nutrition then crickets. I heard that they have tons of calcium and protein. I was thinking they were more like a steak maybe? But like i said it wouldn't be all the time, just maybe 2-3 worms a week. Would that be ok?

[Frogman1031]

I would say that 2-3 worms a month would be more acceptable. They just aren't healthy for them. How big is your frog snout to vent length?

[Bombina Bob]

If you were told that the worms are more nutritious, check it out first. the one who told you this probably isn't aware of his mistake. Silkworms on the other hand are far more nutritious, many can be kept in a 10 gallon with mulberry branches and leaves. They are also a very interesting pet as well

[Lija]

Hormworms are awesome, be careful though if feeding bigger quantities, due to a very high water content they may cause diarrhea, but it is great to add them for variety as occasional treat.
Silkworms are not a good feeder though, it stated here as well as in vet literature about these guys containing thiaminase and as such feeding silkworm can cause vitb1 deficiency.

Below is a very nicely out together chart. One of the most comprehensive I've seen for feeders.
http://moonvalleyreptiles.com/files/...eders-v1.0.pdf

[Bombina Bob]

i had no idea about this Lija. Ive read in many books that they were the healthiest option, thanks for the new info!

[Lija]

Ryan, i would like more info on thiaminase content in silkworms, i havent seen scientific data yet, im still looking, may be that content is minimal, but silkworms are on vet warning list.

I know feeding silkworms is pretty popular in chameleon keepers/breeders circles, so im wondering why is that, granted frog and chameleon metabolism is different, but general principles are the same....

anyone has more information on subject?