Frog ill?!:(

[Fbt123]

I know this isnt the correct section for this subject but no one in the FBT section has replied and im getting worried now . One of my fbts hasnt eaten in about 5 days, she has gotten quite bloated, but this could be due to eggs maybe? Anyways, she may have swallowed gravel from my previous viv (didnt know gravel was bad back then :P). Can you guys tell me if shes bloated please. Here she is:

Thanks for helping

[Fbt123]

Nooo it got moved

[flybyferns]

Stand by , Tom

[Fbt123]

Haha yh Lynn, just a bit worried about her, shes usually a lot more jumpy and eaty lol

[Bombina Bob]

If your FBT hasn't eaten in a few days and is bloated, impaction is most likely. Soak in warm water or a honey bath daily. poop should come out in a few minutes to a few hours after soaking. if it isn't an impaction, your frog may have eggs. FBTs will sometimes not eat after developing eggs within their bodies, if you have a male that is barking. let them mate and if eggs are produced later. put the toads into another setup and let them develop in the tank they were made in. Hang in there and keep us posted!

[Fbt123]

Thanks Ryan! Ill try the warm water soak, i dont have any honey at the moment. The male barks all the time and whenever he tries to mate with her she pulls away from him. I heard that if theyve grown up together, the female wont mate with the male for some reason. Ill tell u guys how its going after the first wam water treatment.

[Fbt123]

Well after leaving her in water water for a few minutes she did a, ahem, poo . Does this mean she isnt impacted then?

[Mentat]

Sorry your frog is not doing well Tom . Only way to tell for sure if it's impacted with gravel, bloated, or with eggs is to have an x-ray done by a herp veterinary. You could try to gently feel the frog sides and try to tell if squishy (air), solid (impaction or eggs), ar maybe jelly like with waves as response (fluid = edema).

Please do make sure either the substrate is bare, fine sand, or peebles too big to swallow.

Try and get some honey for a bath. Place 80F dechlorinated tap to frog's chin level in a small critter keeper or a plastic bowl with holed up top and add a couple drops of honey. Place frog in and cover with towel for 20 min. Then replace bath with 80F dechlorinated tap rinse for another 20 minutes and return frog to enclosure.

If you have Epsom salts at home; then prepare a solution using ratio of 1 teaspoon of Epsom salts in 1 gallon of dechlorinated tap. Give bath using same procedure as if it was honey bath. If bloating is due to edema/fluid retention; that should help. Repeat treatments daily until frog poops or bloating goes down and let us know of any changes. Good luck !

[Bombina Bob]

If she doesn't appear to be bloated or lethargic after the initial poop and you see the pebble. then yes If you think she has eggs, then lower the temperature in the tank and change the light cycles. before you do this, make sure that the toads are healthy enough to breed. Keep us posted!

[Fbt123]

Ok, thanks guys . Im not sure how i would lower the temp in the cage, its about 20 degrees celsius in there most of the time. Also, how would solid and air feel? That may sound like a dumb question but i cant tell between the two lol

[Fbt123]

Ok, i just squished her (gently of course) a few times. She is quite chubby as i didnt know until recently that wax worms were pretty much fat and i fed them a lot of those lol. Anyways, where her 'stomach' area is, its quite hard (nit lock rock). It is squishy but not like air. Can someone clarify what the air and solid would feel like please

[Bombina Bob]

Eventually as the light cycle changes, the temperature should go down slowly so it wont shock the toads.if this doesn't work, try placing an ice pack next to the tank. After about a week of this, make sure to bring the light cycles back to normal. Air in the toad would feel more squishy and the solids are more noticeable as if you can feel little lumps within. keep trying the honey bath and the Epsom salts treatment as Carlos suggested.

[Fbt123]

Ok then, its definitely more air like .

[Fbt123]

Whats wrong with her if it feels like air then?

[Fbt123]

Just found some honey! Can i use water from their viv as ive ran out of bottled water? Also i dont have a thermometer so can I tell if its the right temperature? Also in england we dont really have squirty honey, its mainly in jars, so how much would i need (eg 1 table spoon)

[Bombina Bob]

Excellent water from the viv can be used as long as its clean. Its pretty much impossible to tell the temps inside a tank without the thermometer. usually one drop of honey is enough in a small bowl of water, use a very small amount for now.

If she feels like air, she may still be impacted. Most frogs with impaction will have bloating.
Try feeding her small crickets, a smaller food item would be easier to digest.

[Fbt123]

I just put her in the water and honey solution. Now i've just got to wait...

[Fbt123]

Sorry for not replying to the thread for a few days, unfortunately nothing changed . Until today ! I decided to throw in a few woodlice into the warm water container today. I left her for 20 mins snd when i came back shed eaten 1 woodlouse! I know thats not many but at least shes eating something.
here they are sitting together

[Fbt123]

Forgot the picture :P

[Bombina Bob]

I got a little worried when you weren't posting lol. keep feeding small food items as long
as she is eating, she should be able to poop out any blockage that is there. Is she being lethargic
or has the skin colour darkened at all?