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    Hello I have just purchased (second hand and a real bargain) a very large Terrarium. 900mm tall. Can you recommend the sort of frogs that would benefit from such a large space and can I mix any breeds together.thanks Nikki

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    Hello Nikki, Your Terrarium can house a wide variety of frogs, Around 6 red eye tree frogs, 4 whites tree frogs, dart frogs. But be prepared to get bombarded with information on multi species tanks Generally it cannot be done successfully unless proper research is done. Talk to Bill if you think you can still do it.
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    What species of frogs were you wanting to mix?

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    Im open to suggestions really, it would be nice to have a variety as its such a big space

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    Well, it's 90 cm. (36 in.) tall; but what is length and width? Myself do not recommend mixing any frog species. It's a matter of not only matching enclosure parameters; but of toxic skin products and constant stress of sharing the enclosure .
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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    Even though I always play devil's advocate for multispecies tanks, I really do not recommend doing it. Besides having a proper set up, there is the potential for so many disasters, that I really don't think most of us amateurs should even attempt it. Having a large, single species enclosures opens up a world of design opportunities to observe our animals in as realistic environment as possible and allows the animals to display natural behaviors we can lose out on with a small enclosure, or even a large multispecies one for that matter.


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    Even if it were to be large enough to attempt to mix species, there needs to be considerable experience with the individual species housed alone to begin with. Agree that the width and length is necessary to even decide how many of one species you could put in there.
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    thanks everyone width is 600mm and depth 450mm, ok we have established that mixing the species is not a good idea. I would like something that is colourful / interesting but not poisonous. How do you feel about the Amazon Milk Frog? or the horned?

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    Milkies are sweet. If you mean horned, as in a nasuta, the height would be wasted on them. It could make a stunning dart tank as well. A lot depends on your personal taste and what frogs YOU like


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    thank you Bill, I have only been interested in frogs since last Christmas so im still very new to all of this. Can you have a mix of dart frogs? are they easy to look after. What breed of dart frog would you recommend? and what sort of habitat do they require? am I best to look on the fact sheets?

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    Here is a good article to read - Frog Forum - Choosing a Frog
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    Ack!! Mixing darts is more taboo than anything!! Lol. It is HIGHLY frowned upon in the hobby. But really, with you being new to the hobby, I highly recommend sticking with one species. Get the experience, you'd be amazed at how "easy" they seem, until you actually do it.

    Absolutely read care sheets!! There are some excellent ones on the forum that are well written and have proper info.

    A couple of good starter darts would be Dendrobates Leucomelas, D. azureus or Epidobates Antonyii 'Santa Isabel'.


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    Also, keep in mind that rearing darts also requires you to breed your own food for them (springtails, fruit flies), so check out the feeder section on the culturing techniques on those and be sure you are ready and prepared for when you do get your frog(s).


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    Mixing amphibians species is very complicated once you take everything the other members here have posted into consideration.

    Imo the best amphibian mixes are the ones that have completely different lives. Like borrowers and tree frogs. Or nocturnal and diurnal. If you are really interested in housing different species together than I suggest you do much more research on the species that are recommended or the species that you consider. Continue to do your research and you will not have to ask us anymore . It will be more of a common sense on which species even seem compatible to mix.

    My suggestion, Reed Frogs and Dendros or mantella. Again this is not a suggestion to mix the them. This is a suggestion to do your research on them.

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    thank you Bill, I will do my research and stick to one type. Yes Daniel I will definitely do research before I begin to think about even cleaning the tank. Its nice to get all of your opinions though and you obviously feel very strongly about not mixing which is great because the more questions I ask, the more knowledge I will gain and the less likely I am to make any mistakes which could cost my frogs their life. I am always saying to my kids, ask as many questions as possible so thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nryland View Post
    ...Can you have a mix of dart frogs? are they easy to look after. What breed of dart frog would you recommend? and what sort of habitat do they require?...
    Mixing dart frog species is best left to experts, and even then, there are unsurmountable challenges. There was a huge experimental vivarium set up with multiple dart species (over 10) by a breeder. Food and space was plenty, yet species started dying off until only half where left. Those survivors never thrived or increased their populations; they just established some kind of habitat balance.

    As you immerse yourself in the world of darts, will see that there are many morphological variations among species. Those variations are usually named by the original collection site or a finder's given name. As the worlds frogs natural habitats continue to be destroyed and their populations disappear; it's becomes extremely important to maintain those different captive morphological lines pure.

    You could keep different morphs of same species together; but it would require an increased responsibility to never allow any mixed morphs darts frog born in there out of that vivarium. To do so is very irresponsible and could contaminate the captive pools of pure available individuals.

    If I had such size enclosure; would set it up for a breeding group of Phyllomedusa sauvagii .
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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    thank you Amy

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    thank you Carlos. I will be definitely be sticking to one species only and I want a different species, I will get another Terrarium

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    You're welcome, Nikki. I wasn't sure what kind of frog I wanted before I got my red eyes, it took me a couple of months and tons of reading to decide. Ask as many questions as you want, we're all happy to help!
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