Need help with leopard frog!!

[Lyndsay Hausken]

I was transfering my sons leopard frog from his feeding tank to his habitat and he had odd moment of not moving like usual and one of his legs was stuck extended... And he was twitching all over, leg slow came in but twitch is still there... Any ideas??

[Frogman1031]

Are there any signs of injury besides the leg? What could have happened that he could have hurt himself. A pic would help. Can you answer the questions in this thread? http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...enclosure.html consider this the frog problem bible. Written by Lynn and Grif

[Lyndsay Hausken]

The leg in the water is still twitching but it is slowing down

[Frogman1031]

Is he still able to move and swim fine? If not he may be having a muscle spasm. I'm not sure if the same is true for frogs but in humans muscle spasms don't last long and go away. If after a couple days the leg is still twitching then i would consult a vet. Monitor him closely nonetheless

[Lija]

Hi, would you please answer these questions so we can help you better




1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

[Lyndsay Hausken]

Hi, would you please answer these questions so we can help you better




1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)
2----please include a photo of the frog
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? )
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined
8----what is the typical humidity level
9----what temperature is maintained
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically)
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
13---what kind of water is used
-----for misting
-----for the frog's soaking dish
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific
15---enclosure set up:
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials
16---when is the last time the frog ate
17---have you found poop lately
18---how often is the frog fed
19---what size feeder is given
20---what other feeders are used as treats
21---what is the frog's main food source
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often
24---calcium - what brand and how often
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time
26---approximate age of the frog
27---how long have you owned the frog
28---who cared for the frog before you
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no)
-----for how long
32---has the frog been treated with any medication:
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

I believe it is a northern leopard frog, my son got him at a local pond. Have had him for about a year. Was a little frog when we got him. No medications and was seperat from the second leopard frog for around a month before together; together for a yr now. they have fake plants and coconut substrate. Usually eats crickets who are fed vitamin powder prior to feeding time, sometimes butterworms or wax worm.Though has not shown much interest in waxworms. Last crickets were a week ago, and a couple butterworms since then. There is two leopard frogs around same size in 20 gallon tank. Usually try to free feed but will feed in ten gal encloser if cleaning something with tank. They are in my room away from a lot of traffice, usually only myself and the kids handle but wash hands beforehand after. He has not done this ever before and never had any issues. It seem better today no twitch that I can tell and is moving around like usual. Sorry am working from cell phone at moment.

[DigitalPunk]

Thanks for the response Lyndsay, When you get back in front of a computer please respond to the questions posted by Lija. Please paste the questions she posted into your response and put your answer beside each question. This will help our experienced staff and forum members to best help you sort this out.

Thank you

Paul

[deranged chipmunk]

You said it is eating crickets with vitamin powder, are you offering any calcium supplements? Twitching legs would leave me to think it a calcium deficiency


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[LilyPad]

You said it is eating crickets with vitamin powder, are you offering any calcium supplements? Twitching legs would leave me to think it a calcium deficiency


Education is the most powerful weapon we can use to change the world ~ Nelson Mandela

That was my immediate thought. How old are your supplements?

[deranged chipmunk]

Wait, did I read correctly?? 2 leopard frogs in a 20g tank?? Wow! Talk about cramped spaces. They really need more room.


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[Frogman1031]

How big are the frogs? You can get a larger tank for cheap on craigslist or wait for petco to have another $1 a gallon sale. The price for a 30-40 gallon tank drops significantly. I would avoid Amazon. The sellers there inflate the prices dramatically and i have seen regular 10 gallon tanks for well over 50 dollars

[Lyndsay Hausken]

I will be getting a bigger tank soon had an accident that damaged our 40 gal tank so this is a temporary home; the problem seems to be gone but i am still cirious what could have happened
1----what 'kind' of frog is it ( what species)- Northern leopard frog (caught in northern mn)
2----please include a photo of the frog -The frog in question is posted above
3----Please include a photo of the frog's current enclosure -will post when i get home from work
4----size of enclosure ( W" x D" x H" )- 20 gal tall tank
5----# on inhabitants - ( if there is another frog --- is there a size difference ? ) - two frogs that are roughly the same size, 50 cent piece or little bigger
6----has or was the frog kept with a different species or with any other tank mate - they were seperate for a month or more before being housed together without issues about a year
7----is there a new tank mate----was the new tank mate quarantined - no new frogs
8----what is the typical humidity level-do not currently have this monitored( had used side thermastate)
9----what temperature is maintained- do not currently have this monitored either( had used side attached gage)
10---what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure- lights and misting, water in tank
11---describe the enclosure lighting ( very specifically) - regular tank light form fish tank and a reptile heat lamp
12---describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)- coconut bedding is changed ever two weeks or more. water is changed at least weekly; depending on evaprtation time. plants and rocks rised with treated water.
13---what kind of water is used- tap water with treatment to clean it
-----for misting-same
-----for the frog's soaking dish-same
-----is de-chlorinator used / what brand- will post when i get home
14---material(s) used for substrate - be very specific - coconut shavings ( reptile bedding)
15---enclosure set up: - will picture
-----if recent - describe how the enclosure was cleaned- full clean as listed above about two weeks ago.
-----plants( live or artificial) if artificial plants are used are they plastic or fabric- fake plastic
-----describe wood, bark , and background materials- river rocks and a green picture background on the tank outside
16---when is the last time the frog ate- last night three lg crickets each
17---have you found poop lately no but have dark substrate
18---how often is the frog fed- free feed every day to every other day
19---what size feeder is given- large crickets or butter worms
20---what other feeders are used as treats- none
21---what is the frog's main food source- crickets
22---do feeders roam free in the enclosure or is the frog bowl fed- free fed
23---vitamins - what brand and how often- powder fed to crickets/ coated worms
24---calcium - what brand and how often - powder blend fed to crickets/ coated worms
25---was the frog without calcium for any period of time- would not eat worms when out of crickets for four days or so.
26---approximate age of the frog- was full size when caught outside
27---how long have you owned the frog- little over a yr
28---who cared for the frog before you- was caught outside
29---is the frog wild caught or captive bred- wild caught
30---how often the frog is handled -- are gloves used ( what kind of gloves)- washed hands but not frequently held
31---is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area- low traffick area
30---has or was the frog properly quarantined (yes or no) yes
-----for how long - month by self
32---has the frog been treated with any medication: none
-----for what
-----name of medication
-----for how long
-----what dose
-----was medication prescribed by a herp vet

hope this helps some and will post pictures and everything when home from work

[Mentat]

Suspect your frog is suffering from CA deficiency which has brought Metabolic Bone Disease. Feeding CA or vitamins to crickets will never equal dusting them with appropriate supplements. Recommend get some Repashy or RepCal products and use them according to following schedules: http://www.frogforum.net/food-feeder...schedules.html. Placing dusted crickets in a semi buried glass bowl will help keep dust on them. Also; recommend add not dyed night crawlers (from Walmart or local bait shop) as main staple to their diet.

I'm not sure from answers if you have a divided tank with wet/dry sections or a tank with dry substrate and a water dish. If the later; dish needs to be cleaned and refilled daily. Leopard frogs are mostly aquatic and will spend majority of the time in water. They really need a split tank set-up; maybe 60/40 wet to dry ratio. A cycled filter in wet area will help remove toxins from water like Ammonia and Nitrites. A 25% weekly water change together with filter will keep water side OK for frogs.

Substrate should be shredded coco or if using live plants, ABG type soil. Coco bark pieces can lead to impaction and more problems. Here is also a care article for your frogs: Frog Forum - Leopard Frog Care - Rana pipiens (Schreber, 1782) and R. sphenocephala (1886). Good luck !