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    I hear you Deku.

    I dont think doing it with gulf clubs is OK at all. Whats that teaching Children. These frogs are still animals that unfortunately are causing havoc but there's got to be a better way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebony View Post
    I hear you Deku.

    I dont think doing it with gulf clubs is OK at all. Whats that teaching Children. These frogs are still animals that unfortunately are causing havoc but there's got to be a better way.
    I agree Ebony.
    Animal control is one thing, cruelty is something different entirely.

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    Here people go to jail for being cruel to animals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebony View Post
    I hear you Deku.

    I dont think doing it with gulf clubs is OK at all. Whats that teaching Children. These frogs are still animals that unfortunately are causing havoc but there's got to be a better way.
    In a world that is actually good and decent... yes. There would be. The problem is the only other way to do it is to poison the water sources they breed in. For the obvious reasons, that wont work too well.

    You need to detach yourself a little. Invasive species control is nasty business. To deal with goats in places like the Galapagos they actually put a radio collar on a "Judas Goat" and then follow it in a helicopter until it finds a bunch of other goats (they are social) and then they shoot them all from the air. You cant really do that with toads.

    Controlling populations of native species can be cruel too. Believe me, unless the shot is perfect, deer that get shot are in a lot of pain for at least a few minutes.

    Crushing can be remarkably quick. I would be right there with you if they were crucifying the toads, but a golf club... All things considered it is guesome, but a lot quicker and more targeted than many alternatives.

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    I am not sure that whacking a toad with a golf club is the best method to control the population of invasive species, but it is effective. The natural range of the cane toad stretches from Mexico south to northwestern South America. The toad was introduced to various Caribbean islands in the early 20th century to wipe out the cane beetle. Like everywhere else, the effort was unsuccessful. Many native frog and toad species are now threatened because of the cane toad. It is also important to know that Mexico, Central America, northwestern South America as well as the Caribbean has the highest number of threatened amphibians in the world. I have read that the cane toad is only a nuisance outside its natural range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgampper View Post
    I am not sure that whacking a toad with a golf club is the best method to control the population of invasive species, but it is effective. The natural range of the cane toad stretches from Mexico south to northwestern South America. The toad was introduced to various Caribbean islands in the early 20th century to wipe out the cane beetle. Like everywhere else, the effort was unsuccessful. Many native frog and toad species are now threatened because of the cane toad. It is also important to know that Mexico, Central America, northwestern South America as well as the Caribbean has the highest number of threatened amphibians in the world. I have read that the cane toad is only a nuisance outside its natural range.
    You do what you can. It may not be the nice way to do it, but humans are the only predators these things have outside their native range.

    Yeah, inside its natural range there are predators that can control their populations. They just produce a particularly nasty variety of bufotoxin-and a lot of it, since they day they hatch from their eggs. Toads are also very good dispersers and colonizers. Something like that is an "ideal" invasive species.

    And technically the northern limit of their range is Corpus Christi Texas or thereabouts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iratus ranunculus View Post
    And technically the northern limit of their range is Corpus Christi Texas or thereabouts.
    Hey, you're right. Had to hit the books to look it up, which wasn't easy considering my glasses are upstairs.

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    I am not sure that whacking a toad with a golf club is the best method to control the population of invasive species, but it is effective. .
    Yes I suppose that is true. I just couldn't do it and wish it wasn't necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW Amphibian Rescue View Post
    Yes I suppose that is true. I just couldn't do it and wish it wasn't necessary.
    Don't call on me to do it either.

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