I think my WTF may be sick..

[mpmistr]

Still can't get Mr Skinny to eat.. is there anything I can do to boost him up a bit until I get medicine? Maybe a Pedialyte bath? I assume when I do get medicine I will need to feed it to him, so I am hoping I can somehow rouse his appetite to at least take medication orally.

[Lija]

Mr skinny would be happy to be left alone for little longer, you can use reptiboost, force feed if needs to, but really im sure if he be left alone for a few more days he might be eating on its own. Give it a try. Sometimes the best we can do for them is nothing.

[deranged chipmunk]

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[mpmistr]

Alright. I try to get him to eat when I get home and clean his enclosure. I leave him crickets in a glass bowl, sadly none have been eaten. I am going to leave him alone until medicine arrives. Just replace the paper towels daily and nothing else.

The other guy is getting pretty darn fat.. He is going back to 3 feedings a week.

[Heatheranne]

How does he look? Does he look as if he's losing weight?

[mpmistr]

How does he look? Does he look as if he's losing weight?

I think a picture may be better. I'm not sure what's going on with his coloration, he sandwiched himself in the snake plant, he has not been blotchy like this until basically just now when I checked him. He was green when I cleaned his QT tank and replaced his paper towels. He looks very thin to me, so I am a little worried.

[Lija]

He is skinny, but not to the point to worry just yet. Wait for meds, give them, wait. Have you tried not to do glass bowl thing, but just to throw some crickets in the enclosure?

[mpmistr]

He is skinny, but not to the point to worry just yet. Wait for meds, give them, wait. Have you tried not to do glass bowl thing, but just to throw some crickets in the enclosure?

I've tried some free roamers and he is not bothering with them.

If I did not move him when I was cleaning out the enclosure at night to replace paper towels, ect, I do not think this frog would move at all.

He seems alert when I (am forced) to handle him. However once he is back in the enclosure he is right back to his favorite spot again. Since he's clung to the wall of the tank right now I am going to try to just replace paper towel without disturbing him at all.

I am replacing his water bowl daily too with treated tap, but he is not soaking at all either. I don't know if that is a bad sign or not. I do mist a lot and keep the humidity around 60%, I am keeping temps very high 86F in the day and 78F at night.

[Lija]

Im pretty sure he is just trying to tell you to leave him alone

[mpmistr]

Alright. I am trying my best not to handle or disturb him. You know how it is though some times they get themselves in a spot and you have to move them so you can clean everything out and keep it sanitary.

[Heatheranne]

You can try the 1:10 plain, clear Pedialyte to dechlorinated or distilled water mix.? If you don't want to move him into his water bowl, you can use a dropper and gently allow a few drops to fall onto him every few minutes or so for up to 15-20 minutes. It will give him a few vital electrolytes. Or you can gently set him into the water bowl for 15 minutes. Then rinse out his bowl and refill with fresh dechlorinated water. The water should be around 80'F, not cold and not hot.

[mpmistr]

You can try the 1:10 plain, clear Pedialyte to dechlorinated or distilled water mix.? If you don't want to move him into his water bowl, you can use a dropper and gently allow a few drops to fall onto him every few minutes or so for up to 15-20 minutes. It will give him a few vital electrolytes. Or you can gently set him into the water bowl for 15 minutes. Then rinse out his bowl and refill with fresh dechlorinated water. The water should be around 80'F, not cold and not hot.

Thank you for the tip. Unless it's 100% necessary to do the pedialyte bath I am just going to hold off for right now. I checked UPS tracking and Dr. Frye has received my sample so I am hoping to hear back today or tomorrow.

Update: Dr. Frye is awesome and already contacted me so, I should find out soon what is up! I sent him the samples separate but I asked him to run them together because if they came from the pet store together and were housed together.. I assume they should be both treated for the same thing.

[mpmistr]

Guys.. just an update. I spoke with Dr. Frye and these two Whites have the heaviest load of parasites he has ever seen in 10+ years. These frogs are very sick.. in Dr. Frye's words, they have "thousands of highly mobile ciliated protozoa and many hundred lung worms". Hopefully once the medicine arrives I can get these poor guys back to good health...

[flybyferns]

OMG !!! Michael
Thanks goodness you sent the fecal !
They will get the right meds !
Gosh knows where they get this stuff

Feed them well !
I'm looking forward to hearing good news !

Keep things scrupulously clean !

[mpmistr]

He's going to send me Panacur and Metronidizole; I asked for express delivery, it cost a lot more but I think this may be a time sensitive issue!

I think these are wild caught WTF.. idk how captive bred could have such a heavy parasite load.

[Heatheranne]

Thank goodness for Dr. Frye. There is still hope.

Have a Tupperware to put frogs in while cleaning the tank. Clean with nice hot water each day and paper towels. Lynn even wipes the tank out with Metro sometimes. I've done a Panacur tank wipe down in the past also. Be careful not to add cold items to the tank after a hot cleaning... the glass can crack if it contracts to quickly.

I'm so glad to hear you finally have an answer.

Good luck!

[Lija]

My like to your post before wasnt because i like the results but the fact that now you know and you have meds coming.

Did he explain you how to quarantine them? Both separately with complete full disinfection of everything inside every day until you get clean fecal ( hopefully 3 weeks after start of treatment).
What is your treatment protocol?

[Lija]

Thank goodness for Dr. Frye. !

my thoughts exactly!

[mpmistr]

My like to your post before wasnt because i like the results but the fact that now you know and you have meds coming.

Did he explain you how to quarantine them? Both separately with complete full disinfection of everything inside every day until you get clean fecal ( hopefully 3 weeks after start of treatment).
What is your treatment protocol?

He said instructions are coming with the medication, I hope I have them by Monday. It could be here by tomorrow with luck.

My plan unless noted otherwise is to be cleaning out these enclosures with a bleach solution every night. I am going to pick up two more 10 gallons so I can easily swap the frogs from one enclosure to the other as was recommended previously. I do not want my frogs to get infested again. After 2-3 weeks I am going to send another fecal exam to Dr. Frye, if they are in the clear I will add them back to their main enclosure, which has been broken down and will be bleached out entirely and have all substrate changed, clean all the decor, dip the plants in a bleach solution, ect..

This has been kind of a nightmare! I don't want to relive it.

I have the house to myself this weekend, sounds like I will be busy after writing all that!!

[Heatheranne]

Don't forget the dechlorinator after, of course .