I think my WTF may be sick..

[Lija]

I'm going to remove the substrate and just bleach it out, the plants.. I can put those in a window for now and maybe just give them a good rinse. I'll see what Bill thinks on that.

Once I get the fecal exam I'll shoot Dr Frye and email if necessary. Hopefully the local vet can help out.

Should I continue to feed the frogs? My skinny guy just was not interested in food today, he ate three crickets last night.. I want them to do their 'business' of course.

Sure you can feed, nothing overcomplicated you need to be aware about. Ca and multivitamin dusting schedule as usual.

[mpmistr]

Here is an odd twist... the frog with a healthier weight, it is HIS feces that is rancid. The other frogs not so much, though his poop was smaller.. but it was not runny. I tried to feed them this morning, the skinny guy ate two then lost interest, the other frog just wasn't interested in food this morning.

I need to get the fecal test done either way, at this point I am just waiting for the vet to return my call.

[Lija]

To add to what i just told you
It is normal for a frog to have massive protozoa infection and have a runny stool. That is why it is advisable to quarantine each frog separately, you see everything, how they eat, what they poop, what they have or not. Same with treatment, one frog might be ok after 2 treatments and poop come back negative, but other might require. I alway advise to do a chytrid testing too.

Telling you they both will be just fine.

[mpmistr]

Would it be safe to treat the frogs with lamisil regardless or would a test be better first? I am not sure how stressful lamisil are on frogs.

[kueluck]

For my WTF oral meds are easy to give by injecting a waxworm or cricket with the meds. Or you can use a dosing needle which works great also, but the bug thing is easier.

[flybyferns]

Michael,
It's really best to wait for the fecal test result.
You don't want to treat and then find out it's something else!
Plus, they may be on medication for a long time. Why give them something they don't need.

For now I would keep them in QT and separated.
QT for illness is different than QT for 2 newly acquired frogs ( that could be QT'd together)
Concentrate on daily cleaning when they are sleeping so it will reduce the stress of being moved/handled.
Use disposable gloves between each tank !!!!!!!! Keep good habits of getting the paper towels and gloves OUT to the garbage can!
Don't worry about how long they are in QT .
I would purchase 2 ---10 gallon aquariums w screen lids.
Add pleixi or glass to the screen lid to help keep the humidity up ( simply tape it for now w/ clear pkg tap)
Do everything possible to reduce their stress. It's not a good time to think they are comfortable to you !
Keep them in a quiet place / cover three sides of the enclosures/ provide complete darkness at night.

Temp:
The humidity is important ....but the temp more so. Keep the temp at the higher end of the recommendations!
Chytrid fungus dose not like the high temps. When they are ill > they have a suppressed immune system > of which can lead to other illnesses
Plus the temps are important to help them digest their food properly.

Food:
This is NOT a time that you should worry about over-feeding the frogs! Feed them daily!
Just be sure the cricks are not HUGE, but on the smaller side as this will also help with digestion.
ie crickets heads and cricket limbs do not digest completely. So the small those body parts are the better.
Plus 3 smaller cricks w/ supps are better than 1 big one

Another idea...If you were to get 4 --10 gallon tanks....you could do a switch form dirty to clean easily.
( I actually do this for my cricket bins) each 10 gal tank is small to clean either outside/in the shower/or bathtub.)
Every day clean - fill with - water/a cupful of bleach/ and let it sit for a few minutes.
Rinse, rinse, rinse in water w' plenty of de-chlorinater > reuse
If I had to do this for 2 frogs --- I wold definitely approach it this way.
The cleaning is very important otherwise you are constantly re-exposing them to the bugs
Hang in there this is an exhausting process !!!!
You want to keep their area 'like a lab'. CLEAN !
Whites are a wonderful species that will be with you for a long time!

Do you bowl feed? its a great way to monitor food intake- I suggest using a glass bowl.
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...eder-bowl.html

You can do 2 important tests yourself. Info is below !
Testing:
Here is the information re the 2 tests:
RAL - Test : Reptile
1) Ranavirus-swab/feces
2)Chytrid Fungus (B. dendorobatidis)-swab

here is their form:
http://www.vetdna.com/application/fo...issionform.pdf

You know about Dr Frye --- right ? He has help me immensely !
http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html

Review QT
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...uarantine.html

Sorry to blab
I could go on ---- please keep the questions coming !!!!!
There are a lot of experienced members here that have had to do just this!

[mpmistr]

Michael,
It's really best to wait for the fecal test result.
You don't want to treat and then find out it's something else!
Plus, they may be on medication for a long time. Why give them something they don't need.

Right. I am getting the fecal test done today. I have not medicated them until I have results.

For now I would keep them in QT and separated.
QT for illness is different than QT for 2 newly acquired frogs ( that could be QT'd together)
Concentrate on daily cleaning when they are sleeping so it will reduce the stress of being moved/handled.
Use disposable gloves between each tank !!!!!!!! Keep good habits of getting the paper towels and gloves OUT to the garbage can!
Don't worry about how long they are in QT .
I would purchase 2 ---10 gallon aquariums w screen lids.
Add pleixi or glass to the screen lid to help keep the humidity up ( simply tape it for now w/ clear pkg tap)
Do everything possible to reduce their stress. It's not a good time to think they are comfortable to you !
Keep them in a quiet place / cover three sides of the enclosures/ provide complete darkness at night.

They are currently in two 10 gallons, I've placed tape on 3 sides to minimize stress. I've been keeping good hygiene between the two tanks as you've stated.

Temp:
The humidity is important ....but the temp more so. Keep the temp at the higher end of the recommendations!
Chytrid fungus dose not like the high temps. When they are ill > they have a suppressed immune system > of which can lead to other illnesses
Plus the temps are important to help them digest their food properly.

Are we sure we are dealing with Chytrid here? I am trying to keep them as warm as possible, each frog has a heat lamp on their tank right now.

Food:
This is NOT a time that you should worry about over-feeding the frogs! Feed them daily!
Just be sure the cricks are not HUGE, but on the smaller side as this will also help with digestion.
ie crickets heads and cricket limbs do not digest completely. So the small those body parts are the better.
Plus 3 smaller cricks w/ supps are better than 1 big one

I've been feeding daily for as long as the frogs will eat. I can usually get them to eat 4-5 crickets per day. I try to see if they will eat an earthworm now and then but they will not.

Another idea...If you were to get 4 --10 gallon tanks....you could do a switch form dirty to clean easily.
( I actually do this for my cricket bins) each 10 gal tank is small to clean either outside/in the shower/or bathtub.)
Every day clean - fill with - water/a cupful of bleach/ and let it sit for a few minutes.
Rinse, rinse, rinse in water w' plenty of de-chlorinater > reuse
If I had to do this for 2 frogs --- I wold definitely approach it this way.
The cleaning is very important otherwise you are constantly re-exposing them to the bugs
Hang in there this is an exhausting process !!!!
You want to keep their area 'like a lab'. CLEAN !
Whites are a wonderful species that will be with you for a long time!

I've been replacing the paper towel and water bowel daily (they've only been in a QT setup for a day now). I've been removing feces daily and wiping the tanks down, I've not been using bleach though. I can start doing this though. I will see if I can get additional 10 gallons, they're fairly inexpensive.

Do you bowl feed? its a great way to monitor food intake- I suggest using a glass bowl.
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...eder-bowl.html

You can do 2 important tests yourself. Info is below !
Testing:
Here is the information re the 2 tests:
RAL - Test : Reptile
1) Ranavirus-swab/feces
2)Chytrid Fungus (B. dendorobatidis)-swab

here is their form:
http://www.vetdna.com/application/fo...issionform.pdf

You know about Dr Frye --- right ? He has help me immensely !
http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html

Review QT
http://www.frogforum.net/general-dis...uarantine.html

Sorry to blab
I could go on ---- please keep the questions coming !!!!!
There are a lot of experienced members here that have had to do just this!

Thank you for the info I will check it out. I did email Dr. Frye, just waiting on a response. I found a vet to to a fecal exam locally so I was going to drop that off before work.

Does this appear to be Chytrid though? I've been reading on Chytrid treatments and Lamisil appears to have no real side effects.