I think my WTF may be sick..

[mpmistr]

Michael,
I just wanted to remind you about cleaning.
I'm sure you have heard this a thousand times
But you want to keep moving them to clean quarters (even daily if possible) ; to reduce the possibility of re-infestation.

What I have been doing nightly is removing the frogs in to a tupperware container, taking the tanks and putting them in the shower under HOT water and spray some 5% bleach solution in. I rinse it out very very well of course and then place fresh paper towel back in.

Today I was able to rebuilt their vivarium, so when they get a clean bill of health they'll have a nice home to return to!

[mpmistr]

Yes, I agree. See if they will eat at least another one or two dusted crickets tonight. How long are they (measured) from nose to anus (snout to vent)?

I would wait until the full Panacut and Metronidizole treatments are done, with a follow-up clean fecal test after before returning them to their homes.

The frogs are 3.5 & 3 inches snout to vent.

I was able to feed the smaller frog another cricket dusted with panacur but the other guy, he just won't eat. I tried to force feed but I couldn't get his mouth open with a credit card, also my fiancé isn't exactly fond of crickets so doing this solo was basically impossible for me and I feel like I am stressing out the frog.

I know it was said panacur dissolved in water doesn't work but I tried it anyways because I am not sure how else to deliver medicine to this frog. He did eat one dusted cricket with panacur and I'm treating him with metron so hopefully his appetite will come back so I can get panacur into his system more reliably.

[Heatheranne]

This is an old video. It might help.

http://youtu.be/sJbEu0xNsBU

[mpmistr]

I will check it out when I get home tonight.

I tried to place a dusted waxworm (since they don't jump around like crickets) on a credit card and get it in my frogs mouth. I can get his mouth open but not fast enough to get the waxworm in. He seemed to get really stressed out so I decided to not continue.

[mpmistr]

Ah, good news. I was able to take a cricket, dip it in some decholorinated tap and then get a healthy amount of Panacur on it. I placed my Whites Tree Frog in a tupperware container inside his enclosure with the cricket and he ate it. I would say that will be enough Panacur for the week, hopefully the appetite will come back. I am going to leave some more crickets in a tupperware container in his enclosure so he will hopefully eat, poop, and release some nasty dead lungworms finally.

Poor frog is so stressed, I am so happy I did not have to force feed him. Every time I have to move him he is releasing water/urine, which is a defensive move from stress I am pretty sure.

[mpmistr]

What a turn around, it's only been a few days and the frogs are both doing very well.

My frog that is fighting the lungworm infestation has done a total 180, he is not eating a lot but I am able to get him to eat 3-4 dusted crickets now when before he was only eating 1 cricket every three days.

He has put a little more weight on, he is active at night now when he was sleeping for days at a time before. He still has three weeks of medication to go but things really are improving very quickly.

[DigitalPunk]

Great News!!

[LilyPad]

How are things going, Michael?

[mpmistr]

How are things going, Michael?

Everything is going great. The frog that had smelly poop no longer has smelly poop, so the protozoan infection has cleared up. He is looking very good and is getting pretty fat. I am not feeding him daily any longer. They have 3 more metronidazole treatments per Dr. Frye then I will be stopping that medication.

Both frogs are eating normally but the one that was not eating is still very shy, he will not tong feed but if I leave him in tupperware (I place this in the enclosure) with 4-5 crickets. He will eat them all once I walk away and let him eat at his own pace. He is being fed daily, 4-5 crickets starting to put on weight on, he is looking very good. He has done a total 180, I really thought he was going to die.

So two more weeks of panacur, three more days of metronidazole then send in a fecal sample for Dr. Frye. Assuming that checks out they get to go home to their main enclosure.

[DigitalPunk]

Awesome! So glad they are doing better!

[LilyPad]

That is great!! Must be such a relief.

[mpmistr]

Small update.

The metronidazole treatments are done, so that is one medication out of the way, Dr Frye said 10-14 days, the frogs are doing very well so I will stop at 12. No more foul poops in days so I think we're safe on that front.

I found a moth in my house.. pretty sure it's the waxmoth pupae I left on my window sill a few weeks ago, turned in to a waxmoth and became food lol.. I do wonder, wild moths, yay or nay? I turn on my porch light and it's moth city right now. I'm in farm country but not really close to a corn field where my house is. I've never fed wild insects to my frogs nor am I in any rush to but I just wonder what a moth could possibly carry that could harm a WTF?

I actually got one of my frogs to eat a nightcrawler, kind of cool because I consider earthworms a top tier feeder and I know WTF tend not to go for worms. My "trick" to do it? Cut it in half, worms wriggling in agony seem to get them to move around enough to get WTFs attention.

[Lija]

Wonderful news Michael! Can only imagine how happy you are.

I wouldn't be feeding anything from outside, just in case, i kinda think you've had enough stress already

[LilyPad]

Agree with Lija. I used to feed my Greys wild caught insects, but after several months of winter on captive bred insects, I've always been afraid to go back to wild caught. I'm afraid they will no longer have the immunities to fight off anything wc insects might bring in.

[mpmistr]

Yeah I was just wondering if anyone did feed wild moths. My garden is 100% free of pesticides, herbicides, insecticides, I have a lot of worms and sowbugs but I do not feed them to my frogs. think I may start breeding waxworms to get more waxmoths, the moths seemed to really excite my frog when I fed it.