Do Dwarf african bullfrogs have orange on them ?

[Buck Rogers]

There is no such a thing as a Dwarf African Bullfrog. There is the African Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus edulis) and the Giant Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus adspersus).

The Giant Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus adspersus) is a Highveld species which is the more common green frog available on the market.

The African Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus edulis) is a species from Natal up to Mozambique and is often a olive brown colour and smaller.

[Jace]

There is no such a thing as a Dwarf African Bullfrog. There is the African Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus edulis) and the Giant Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus adspersus).

The Giant Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus adspersus) is a Highveld species which is the more common green frog available on the market.

The African Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus edulis) is a species from Natal up to Mozambique and is often a olive brown colour and smaller.

Good to know, thank you! So when I say I have three African Bullfrogs who match the description of the Giant Bullfrog, I am actually making an error? I love learning new things about my frogs! I am going to have to do more research on this, I think.

[Buck Rogers]

The one in your aviator pic is the Giant Bullfrog (Pyxicephalus adspersus).

It has seemed to become known as the Giant African Bullfrog for some reason or another. There seems to be a lot of different conflicting information on the net (as there always is). Most websites don't even differentiate the difference between the 2 species and I even saw on wikipedia that they were not even listed as a threatened species which is totally incorrect.

A great book to get your hands on is "A complete guides to the frogs of Southern Africa" by Vincent Carruthers and Louis Du Preez. You can probably order it from Amazon and Kalahari.net (http://www.kalahari.net/books/A-Comp.../34090322.aspx Its a great book and will clear this up for you nicely. Also comes with a CD with the frog calls of Southern African species.

[Buck Rogers]

I'm sure John will be able to clear this up a bit better than me as he has far more experience in this field than myself, but this is the problem with referring to species by common names because they differ from place to place.

As monitor lizard keepers it becomes so important to refer to a species by its latin name because animals from the same species can differ so greatly just from locality and sub species, like the rock monitor (Varanus albigularis). Its commonly know as the rock monitor, Southern African rock monitor, black throat, white throat, cape rock monitor, veldt leguanna and many more. You can imagine the confusion that takes place when trying to get that sorted out... And I won't even get started on the Indonesian tree monitor species

[googie]

Buck:
I was referring to P. edulis, actually I do have a book on South African frogs, a patient of mine was traveling there and sent it to my son and I. You are exactly right, they refer to them as the African bullfrog (edulis) and the Giant Bullfrog (adspersus).

Still very confusing however, since their pics of the African Bullfrog, look different than those of other P. edulis I have seen.

Thanks for the reply

[Buck Rogers]

Still very confusing however, since their pics of the African Bullfrog, look different than those of other P. edulis I have seen.

I actually wish that I had some personal photos to compare an African Bullfrog (p. edulis) to the Giant Bullfrog (p. adspersus) but I have never found African Bullfrogs before because I have not headed to the part of South Africa where they occur.

I do however have a very recent pic of a Giant Bullfrog (p. adspersus) where you can actually see the orange which answers your first question, they do have orange. Also if you look at the article on Bullfrog caresheet on this forum you'll see a big boy that also has that colouring.

[Buck Rogers]

That pic distorted horribly!!!! And can't get it right. But you get the idea.

[Jace]

I was up until 3 in the morning trying to find proper information on the two species. Wow, what a mess! What little information I did find of edulis barely spelled it right and offered little in the way of comparison or anything. There were several website of people claiming edulis by calling it a Dwarf, but their pictures were clearly adspersus. I'm rather disappointed in the lack of proper information. As I am confident all three of mine are adspersus, I may have to see if I can track down a true edulis and make my own observations. Very exciting!

Darryn: I love that picture, distorted or not. Beautiful frog!