Stubborn Pacman

[limnologist]

Ugh.......Let me suggest that if you're going to post about feeding larger than recommended feeders do specify between experienced keepers and novices.

I'm going to have to say that it has nothing to do with inbred frogs. Any and all are subject to the follies of their species particularly the ingestion of prey items that are much to large to handle. Feeding prey that is in excess of the normal bounds for prey items places the frog indanger of death from organ damage or stomach rupture. Not only this, but many will vomit to remove prey that is too large and thus prolapsing their stomach which almost alway results in death.

Don't recommend for keepers to feed prey items thats size is in excess of what should be offered. To make recommendations like this is irresponcible and potentially harmful to a new keeper's experience with their pet. As I recall you fed your Gartersnake to your frog for the sole purpose of you didn't want to care for her anymore. A neglegent act that is ill advised and by no means for education purposes or fornthe benefit of your frog. She wouldn't eat so you fed her to your frog. I have no respect for people of that nature.

I have kept and studied cranwelli for the past 6 years, I have found that almost every single health problem from eating a large prey item is usually caused by stress, in-bred frogs, over-fed/under-fed, and runt frogs. A perfectly healthy, strong, normally sized frog can easily eat a large prey item. Also, there is no need to continually feed the frog large prey, I once again say that feeding large prey should be done for educational purposes, necsessity, and variety.

As for the garter snake, I have no idea why you would assume that 1. I owned the animal- 2. I fed it to the frog because I didn't want to care for it anymore-. The animal belonged to my neighbor, it was his first garter snake and it got out of its cage, his mother stomped it dead because she fears snakes. He wanted to see my frog in action so I said I would feed it the dead snake. I am very surprised that someone with your reputation and rank could make such assumptions and not be open to observing what this animal does naturally. People who become so offensive about pets are the people who used to deter me and many people I know from keeping pets and learning about nature and its abilities, treasures, wonders and gifts. Though it is not necessary to feed a pacman large prey, it IS what they were built for and it IS an amazing experience to watch it happen.

[GrifTheGreat]

I have kept and studied cranwelli for the past 6 years, I have found that almost every single health problem from eating a large prey item is usually caused by stress, in-bred frogs, over-fed/under-fed, and runt frogs. A perfectly healthy, strong, normally sized frog can easily eat a large prey item. Also, there is no need to continually feed the frog large prey, I once again say that feeding large prey should be done for educational purposes, necsessity, and variety.

As for the garter snake, I have no idea why you would assume that 1. I owned the animal- 2. I fed it to the frog because I didn't want to care for it anymore-. The animal belonged to my neighbor, it was his first garter snake and it got out of its cage, his mother stomped it dead because she fears snakes. He wanted to see my frog in action so I said I would feed it the dead snake. I am very surprised that someone with your reputation and rank could make such assumptions and not be open to observing what this animal does naturally. People who become so offensive about pets are the people who used to deter me and many people I know from keeping pets and learning about nature and its abilities, treasures, wonders and gifts. Though it is not necessary to feed a pacman large prey, it IS what they were built for and it IS an amazing experience to watch it happen.

My reputation and interest is to help those who ask for it with correct information and safe feeding methods. I apologize if I mistook you for someone else, but you do not recommend such feeding regiments to new keepers. Once they become experienced enough then it is up to them.

Second there is no evidence that line breeding is the cause of a frog not being able to handle large prey. If you research a bit more you will discover that nearly if not all specimens in the US are infact inbred. The collection and importation of these animals is controled and illegal in many of the areas where they are from. Stress yes, poor genetics yes, inbred only half correct. How do you think breeders get their morphs to remain in their lines?

[limnologist]

My reputation and interest is to help those who ask for it with correct information and safe feeding methods. I apologize if I mistook you for someone else, but you do not recommend such feeding regiments to new keepers. Once they become experienced enough then it is up to them.

Second there is no evidence that line breeding is the cause of a frog not being able to handle large prey. If you research a bit more you will discover that nearly if not all specimens in the US are infact inbred. The collection and importation of these animals is controled and illegal in many of the areas where they are from. Stress yes, poor genetics yes, inbred only half correct. How do you think breeders get their morphs to remain in their lines?

quite, perhaps I have not had enough experience informing others. I guess when I say in-bred what I really mean to describe are those unhealthy, weak frogs that were mass produced by the big breeders. Those frogs seem to be less capable of eating large prey than their stronger counterparts. It's almost as if they have lost some of their natural abilities.

[GrifTheGreat]

quite, perhaps I have not had enough experience informing others. I guess when I say in-bred what I really mean to describe are those unhealthy, weak frogs that were mass produced by the big breeders. Those frogs seem to be less capable of eating large prey than their stronger counterparts. It's almost as if they have lost some of their natural abilities.

It is very possible. Weak genetics can show up at random and the further line bred they are the more genetic abnormalities will show. This is where the mutants come from, but only the genetically altered Samurai lines have mutants aside from the occational Chimera that Frog Ranch produces. It can also come from breeding genetically weak individuals together and thus producing weaker offspring, but that doesn't always happen.