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    Default Re: Buyer Beware of Mike's Phat Frogs

    This is no snap judgement, believe me. The veterinarians confirmed that the frogs would have been infected before coming to me. If you want to know the WHOLE story, including the threats made against me by Mike for trying to notify people about the Chytrid (and that they should test/treat their frogs to be on the safe side) then you can PM me and I will fill you in. I have been trying to piece together some very disturbing puzzle pieces, including the fact that frogs from the same breeder were dying at our local Petco-- they weren't dying from coccidiosis, after seeing it first hand I am 99% sure it was Chytrid. I also hear constantly about people's Petco frogs getting sick and up and dying... there has to be a common denominator, other than Petco just sucks at amphibian care. On Facebook was also a little girl who purchased WTFs from this same breeder (not Mike, the supplier in my case) more than once. The last time she got them directly from him at an expo... all of them got sick and died in short order. These Petco (etc) frog deaths all need to be investigated, they cannot simply be brushed off as the fault of the store or of the owners. Someone needs to be accountable. Mike even tried to say the fault was mine because he said he knew I "never quarantined any of my frogs." Anyone who's been following me on here knows THAT sure as shoot isn't true! He said they had to have caught it from one of my other frogs... I told him if that was true then we really had a big problem, as ALL my frogs (except one) came from the same breeder! My only non-Sandfire frog is Martha, and she came to me as an adult from a different Petco (35 miles away) and a different supplier. Also, I document EVERYTHING in both photos and video. Other than having a myriad of internal parasites they have been treated for all of my other guys have been healthy and living with me since Oct, Dec & Jan... Pole Bean came to me already skinny and sick, and Butter Bean was dead within 29 days with no obvious outward signs until just before he died.

    People need to stop sticking their heads in the sand and brushing domestic frog deaths under the rug, they are not doing the herp industry a bit of good by doing so. I am not interested in replacement frogs... I would refuse them at this point rather than risk going through this again! And even though we are out a substantial amount of money I am not asking for a refund, I am asking for accountability, not threats and redirection away from the issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frogger00 View Post
    I know you are upset, and I don't know the whole story, but there is many other things to blame other than the breeder. Maybe your frogs came in contact with the disease while being shipped, or the breeder didn't even know that his frogs had caught the terrible disease. Don't get me wrong, it's great that you are sharing your experience, but please take into account these other possibilities. I'm sorry you've had such bad luck with a few of your frogs, I hope the others are doing well.


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    4.4.0 White's tree frogs (Litoria caerulea): Sir Honey Lime, Bok & Choi, Martha, Shirley, Leapin' Loo and Ping & Pong; 0.2.1 Amazon Milk Frogs (Trachycephalus resinifictrix): Otto & Echo and Pip-Squeak aka Tiny
    2.0.0 South American Bird Poo Frogs (Hyla marmorata): Ribbit & Rupert


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    Default Re: Buyer Beware of Mike's Phat Frogs

    Honestly, I get kind of a vibe of Mike's, because he kind of feels like the McDonalds of the breeder's world. You see adds for them all the time, and then stuff like this happens...

    http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/your_...mcnuggets.html
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCqKl4Q3hW4
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_slime
    http://grist.org/list/mcdonalds-mcre...e-site-advice/
    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...dvice-website/

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    Default Re: Buyer Beware of Mike's Phat Frogs

    Xavier, McDonalds never threatened to come to someone's house and F-them up. Go inquire at Faunaclassifieds.com as to why Mike's been banned from there.
    Mom to these fine frogs!
    4.4.0 White's tree frogs (Litoria caerulea): Sir Honey Lime, Bok & Choi, Martha, Shirley, Leapin' Loo and Ping & Pong; 0.2.1 Amazon Milk Frogs (Trachycephalus resinifictrix): Otto & Echo and Pip-Squeak aka Tiny
    2.0.0 South American Bird Poo Frogs (Hyla marmorata): Ribbit & Rupert


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    Default Re: Buyer Beware of Mike's Phat Frogs

    I'm very sorry for your loss, but thank you for sharing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irThumper View Post
    Xavier, McDonalds never threatened to come to someone's house and F-them up. Go inquire at Faunaclassifieds.com as to why Mike's been banned from there.
    Wow. That is so unprofessional! Hope you and your frogs are doing okay.


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    I'm not doing ok, I've come down with some respiratory virus or something and feel like ****, just when I need all my strength for this The rest of the frogs... I don't know yet. My vets recommended I NOT use the aerosol of Lamasil (have to trust them on this one Crunchy, just can't afford to take any more chances) because the other ingredients will not gas off completely and can still absorb into the frogs systems, causing potential problems. They are working on mixing me up a bath of Itraconazole (sp?) that is unadulterated with other potentially harmful ingredients, it's not been easy to mix and dose, however, and they want to make absolutely sure that the frogs will receive the proper dose.

    I just messaged this to Mike... "The snowflake is also dead. Will you please let me know who sent/boxed/shipped these frogs you sold me?"
    Lets see what response that gets.
    Mom to these fine frogs!
    4.4.0 White's tree frogs (Litoria caerulea): Sir Honey Lime, Bok & Choi, Martha, Shirley, Leapin' Loo and Ping & Pong; 0.2.1 Amazon Milk Frogs (Trachycephalus resinifictrix): Otto & Echo and Pip-Squeak aka Tiny
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    Fail!
    Mom to these fine frogs!
    4.4.0 White's tree frogs (Litoria caerulea): Sir Honey Lime, Bok & Choi, Martha, Shirley, Leapin' Loo and Ping & Pong; 0.2.1 Amazon Milk Frogs (Trachycephalus resinifictrix): Otto & Echo and Pip-Squeak aka Tiny
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    Default Re: Buyer Beware of Mike's Phat Frogs

    Trust me I am no friend of Mike Maston.
    I am so sorry for your loss and I wish you the best of luck.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Charles Bruckner View Post
    Trust me I am no friend of Mike Maston.
    I am so sorry for your loss and I wish you the best of luck.
    Thanks, Louis.
    Mom to these fine frogs!
    4.4.0 White's tree frogs (Litoria caerulea): Sir Honey Lime, Bok & Choi, Martha, Shirley, Leapin' Loo and Ping & Pong; 0.2.1 Amazon Milk Frogs (Trachycephalus resinifictrix): Otto & Echo and Pip-Squeak aka Tiny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Charles Bruckner View Post
    Trust me I am no friend of Mike Maston.
    I am so sorry for your loss and I wish you the best of luck.
    And Louis I could care less if we are friends or not. You have never purchased frogs from me. You were at the wrong end of a discussion with a few admins and I and we corrected you. We may not see eye to eye. You have little to no actual experience with these animals.

    My best example of that is you saying "a male pacman that's an adult weighs 300-400 grams" that is the size of a large healthy female. Males rarely make it into the 200 gram range....

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    Default Re: Buyer Beware of Mike's Phat Frogs

    Bet you haven't seen this either Mike...
    http://www.frogforum.net/showthread....313#post260313

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliygh and Mia 2 View Post
    Bet you haven't seen this either Mike...
    http://www.frogforum.net/showthread....313#post260313
    Xavier where is the actual proof? There is no vet report at all. Just a bunch of hear say..... I am meeting with an attorney in the morning actually. It takes time to schedule appointments. Please have her sue me. I would love to see how she can prove that they came in with chitrid.... No vet will put their name on a chopping board like that.

    I will do a batch test her shortly along with sandfire. So, when they come back negative this all becomes defamation... We have thousands of animals that are showing no symptoms...


    Please xavier tell me how she can prove this came from us and something she did not expose to them.

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