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    Quote Originally Posted by limnologist View Post
    crickets only contain very few vitamins because we don't nourish them correctly.

    It is possible to raise a perfectly healthy frog on these three insects:

    the cricket-

    the mealworm- (and beetle.....I dont really count that as a fourth insect)

    the waxworm- (or superworm since the fat content is pretty much the same)

    everyone warns you not to feed these insects consistently to your pets due to vitamin deficiency, believe it or not, if you properly nourish the insects first, you need not any kind of vitamin supplement (as long as the frog gets some fresh sunlight of course)
    All these are fine to feed. Mealworms and Superworms only need be sparingly offered not for reasons of nutrition, but for reasons of exoskeleton density. The chitin of those two larvae are undigestable and in large quantities cause impaction.

    Crickets are just dirty feeders, but are fine as food for the frogs even if nutritionaly lacking. Even gutloaded tbey are severely lacking. They should be dusted with supplements even when gutloaded.

    Earthworms and Night Crawlers are possibly the best and most nutritionally balanced food for them. Calcium to phosphorus balance is excellent. Very easily digested and accepted by most frogs.

    Diet is a large part of developemental issues with young frogs, but is not the sole culprit. Extra nutritions should always be considered. Especially in the form of dusting.


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    My feeders get whatever my turtle doesn't eat vegetable-wise. Silversides also make a nice treat every few weeks for my pacman. They're a more concentrated source of protein than bugs, but don't have the high fat content and tendency to slow down the digestive tract that mice do. Plus, the strong smell seems to wake everyone in the room up. I can offer her a fish at any time of the day or night, and she's wide-awake and ready to attack the tongs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVirginiana View Post
    My feeders get whatever my turtle doesn't eat vegetable-wise. Silversides also make a nice treat every few weeks for my pacman. They're a more concentrated source of protein than bugs, but don't have the high fat content and tendency to slow down the digestive tract that mice do. Plus, the strong smell seems to wake everyone in the room up. I can offer her a fish at any time of the day or night, and she's wide-awake and ready to attack the tongs.
    My frogs seem to absolutely love fish too. I use fish to get picky eaters to eat.

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    Hmm... That's a good tip, I will have to remember that. The problem I've read about is these little feeder fish, especially goldfish and such, are dirty and end up giving the frog some type of illness. Have you experienced anything like that? Fish definately seems healthier than mice to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldClassFrogCoddler View Post
    Hmm... That's a good tip, I will have to remember that. The problem I've read about is these little feeder fish, especially goldfish and such, are dirty and end up giving the frog some type of illness. Have you experienced anything like that? Fish definately seems healthier than mice to me.
    Ive never run into any illnesses with feeding fish, but I think thats only because the only thing that my fish get sick with is ich and Im pretty sure it doesnt affect frogs.

    fish from the pet store are very unhealthy, what I do is put 20 $0.25 goldfish in a 10 gallon tank and feed them zucchini and fish food for a few day and then i use them.

    I use mice for fattening when breeding, Fish for picky eaters, insects for juveniles, and lean meat (beef heart and chicken) mixed with various large vertebrates for my adults.

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    All these are fine to feed. Mealworms and Superworms only need be sparingly offered not for reasons of nutrition, but for reasons of exoskeleton density. The chitin of those two larvae are undigestable and in large quantities cause impaction.

    Crickets are just dirty feeders, but are fine as food for the frogs even if nutritionaly lacking. Even gutloaded tbey are severely lacking. They should be dusted with supplements even when gutloaded.

    Earthworms and Night Crawlers are possibly the best and most nutritionally balanced food for them. Calcium to phosphorus balance is excellent. Very easily digested and accepted by most frogs.

    Diet is a large part of developemental issues with young frogs, but is not the sole culprit. Extra nutritions should always be considered. Especially in the form of dusting.
    true, but I know people who spend big dollars to feed their pets anything but crickets, mealworms and superworms. they say they are too fattening, have too much chiton (which is slightly true), and can eat through a pet's stomach (still have yet to find a keeper who has experienced this).
    I find that wild crickets are very nutritional, though if your not careful you can spread disease or parasites.

    yup there is absolutely no harm in adding supplements if you can afford them

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