Dead Frog ;(

[CinnamonPearl]

My juvenile pacman frog, BMO, died today. I got her three weeks ago at a show. She ate once before going underground. I dug her up twice to try to get her to eat, once two weeks ago and the second time today. She was alive when I dug her up today but died while I was watching Shrek 2. I don't really know what went wrong besides her not eating. The temperature was a little low when I checked it after she passed. Perhaps she was sick or something? Any advice would be much appreciated. Thanks.

[Lija]

. So so sorry for your loss, you know sometimes even in ideal conditions they just die. ((((

the only way to know for sure is necropsy, but even then in animal this small it might come back inconclusive.

[DVirginiana]

Sorry to hear that. Like Lija said, no way to know for sure without a necropsy, but I really don't think the temp being just a little too low killed her suddenly like that.

[CinnamonPearl]

Do you think she was just too stressed? I used to be an aquarist and stress could kill fish easily. Or maybe she was just hungry.


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[DVirginiana]

It could have been that the combined stress of going to the show, then to a new home was too much for her. It could have even exacerbated a previously unknown condition.

Without knowing how large/old the frog was, it's hard to say whether it could have been hunger or not, but I kind of doubt it. They can slow their metabolisms way down. Going without food can be very damaging, especially for a younger frog, but you usually see signs of malnutrition or weight loss before one will drop dead of hunger.

[flybyferns]

So, so sorry.
Her death is so close to when you acquired her, so perhaps it was something completely out of your control?
Like Lija said, it happens even when we are meeting the enclosure requirements for an animal.

Very sorry, I hope you try again.
:butterfly"

[CinnamonPearl]

I certainly will try again.


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[Hypnotic]

I'm sorry for your loss. It always sucks to have a pet die on you, I've been there with my cornuta.
Some tips for the next time you try: Try to avoid touching the frog at all. Simply wiggle the worm with tongs against it's lips. Don't give them too much substrate, you want them to burrow but not too burrow deeply, so you have to dig them out.
Make sure the enclosure isn't too big and tape off 3 sides with jungle background, to reduce stress. Make sure the temperature and humidity are perfect before you place the frog in, this can easely be achieved by bying one of those dial knobs (forgot the English word) so you can turn the heat up and down when the temperature changes alot.

[CinnamonPearl]

I received a background and a heat controller, so those aren't problems anymore. I have yet to check if the controller is working, though. I usually put two inches of substrate in, since 2-3" is recommended. I don't tong train my frogs, though.

[Hypnotic]

Well, I would advise you too, but only for the reason that nightcrawlers are the best diet for them. They are also cheaper then crickets, and can be obtained easyer from local baitshops.
Also, they seem to eat better when they are tong trained. Some frogs can be really stubborn when it comes to eating, but a little pursuasion from tongs, can quickly conquer that. It also takes away the risk of prey giving them stress or even harming them.
My baby is in about 1.5" of substrate. 2 Should still be fine.
It could be that you just recieved an overstressed baby. I usually dig out my frogs and put them on a nearing piece of substrate before feeding them, however my latest addition, a fantasy frog started showing seriously stress signs when I did this with him.

[CinnamonPearl]

Eh, I think I'll stick with what I have. I'm going to add dubia roaches into the diet soon, and my frogs are all eating well (except BMO, of course).

[Tongue Flicker]

Aww my condolences

[ElfDa]

As someone who has kept tarantulas for some years, I'm all too familiar with an animal being stressed out by its food--especially when they're young.

I cannot how many times I have exclaimed "it's your FOOD! You eat it; not run from it!"

I can imagine a young frog, already stressed from a show and new home, being further stressed by roaming foodstuffs.

Quick question: could an electrolyte bath have helped, here?

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[CinnamonPearl]

It wasn't the food. She ate the second day I had her before retreating underground.

[Hypnotic]

As someone who has kept tarantulas for some years, I'm all too familiar with an animal being stressed out by its food--especially when they're young.

I cannot how many times I have exclaimed "it's your FOOD! You eat it; not run from it!"

I can imagine a young frog, already stressed from a show and new home, being further stressed by roaming foodstuffs.

Quick question: could an electrolyte bath have helped, here?

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I believe it could have Elfda. I picked up a bottle of the stuff a while ago, incase I ever needed it. (I have various things like that in my frog drawer, you never know.)
So when I picked up my fantasy in April, he was showing bad signs of stress during feeding, throwig his head up and stretching his back legs. So I gave him one, dropped him back in his enclosure after.
The next day it was like he was a completely different animal.
Then a few days later, I was remoddeling a rack here, got a little noisy, stress symptoms again. Did the electrolyte bath again and in the half hour he was in there, his colour changed from dark to bright green and he was doing better again.
So I would recommend it for any frog that shows signs of stress.