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    Fabrizio
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    Default Help, infected rostral abrasion on White Tree Frogs!

    (excuse me for double post - I can't find how to cancel it)
    Hello, my new-bought Polypedates leucomystax have severe rostral abrasion, at least this seems to be the cause for subsequent infection they developed.
    I bought 3 back in November, the male had a small lesion on his lip and I trated with blue-methylene. then Baytril; he healed. The female (and another male) had ''smooth'', patch-like lesions that soon toke an ulcerated look, like flesh-eating disease. Despite several antibiotics (powder - Ampicilline, Bactrim, Gentamycin as cream, and Trimetoprim orally), she died after a month. I was suggested and gave a pain-killer too, Metacam, but I read here it could be lethal!
     
    -I bought these further 2 Polypedates 10 days ago, and almost nothing I could notice at beginning.
    Later, I noticed two very small points on male's head, that 2 days after evolved in the same smooth patches.
    I treated him in the last 3 days with silver sulphadiazine cream (he removed that with all 4 limbs), but he died today He looks very ''skinny'' (perhaps dehydrated?)
    -The female is still alive and not skinny, but her lesions are a bit different. More clear and deep rostral lesion, and a ''dark point'' (a previous lesion's result?) on her head.
    I'm worried this could become a flesh-eating disorder, too...
     
    -All I gave her since now, is Aloe gel on the rostral area ( to help healing,and it should have antibiotic effects in addition), and silver sulphadiazine on her head.
    -I could put liquid Baytril in her bathing basin ( a small lid), I know doses but how to be sure how much water = Baytril she will actually absorb?
    Better to drop a Baytril solution directly on the affected area?
    SHe is placed in a neat box, only dry absorbing paper on the bottom, a sterilized smooth wood and water lid, plus a gentle heat mat underside.
     
    Should I put silver sulphadiazine on the rostral area, too, instead of Aloe gel?
    I read here about Neosporin, yet I can't find it here in Italy: the nearest product is Streptosil, yet it lacks Polymyxin-B, I don't know how much that could reduce its effects.
     
    -Finally, how about Gentamicyn cream? It failed with the previus frog yet I had tried it at the very last...
     
    Here, some pictures along the days, for you to understand better :
     
    Male, 24 March
    http://i62.tinypic.com/2uoq2pd.png
     
    Male, 31 March
    http://i57.tinypic.com/2j4y2cg.png
     
    Female, 26 March
    http://i58.tinypic.com/b9hk6x.png
     
    Female, 28 March (begun Aloe);
    http://i61.tinypic.com/2mrw7ib.png
     
    Female, 29 March
    http://i59.tinypic.com/2iau0qv.png
     
    Female, 31 March
    http://i58.tinypic.com/2lwxdes.png
     
     
    Female, 1st April
    http://i61.tinypic.com/2mo8cqh.png

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    Fabrizio
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    Default Help, infected rostral abrasion on White Tree Frogs!

     
    Hello, my new-bought Polypedates leucomystax have severe rostral abrasion, at least this seems to be the cause for subsequent infection they developed.
    I bought 3 back in November, the male had a small lesion on his lip and I trated with blue-methylene. then Baytril; he healed. The female (and another male) had ''smooth'', patch-like lesions that soon toke an ulcerated look, like flesh-eating disease. Despite several antibiotics (powder - Ampicilline, Bactrim, Gentamycin as cream, and Trimetoprim orally), she died after a month. I was suggested and gave a pain-killer too, Metacam, but I read here it could be lethal!
     
    -I bought these further 2 Polypedates 10 days ago, and almost nothing I could notice at beginning.
    Later, I noticed two very small points on male's head, that 2 days after evolved in the same smooth patches.
    I treated him in the last 3 days with silver sulphadiazine cream (he removed that with all 4 limbs), but he died today He looks very ''skinny'' (perhaps dehydrated?)
    -The female is still alive and not skinny, but her lesions are a bit different. More clear and deep rostral lesion, and a ''dark point'' (a previous lesion's result?) on her head.
    I'm worried this could become a flesh-eating disorder, too...
     
    -All I gave her since now, is Aloe gel on the rostral area ( to help healing,and it should have antibiotic effects in addition), and silver sulphadiazine on her head.
    -I could put liquid Baytril in her bathing basin ( a small lid), I know doses but how to be sure how much water = Baytril she will actually absorb?
    Better to drop a Baytril solution directly on the affected area?
    SHe is placed in a neat box, only dry absorbing paper on the bottom, a sterilized smooth wood and water lid, plus a gentle heat mat underside.
     
    Should I put silver sulphadiazine on the rostral area, too, instead of Aloe gel?
    I read here about Neosporin, yet I can't find it here in Italy: the nearest product is Streptosil, yet it lacks Polymyxin-B, I don't know how much that could reduce its effects.
     
    -Finally, how about Gentamicyn cream? It failed with the previus frog yet I had tried it at the very last...
     
    Here, some pictures along the days, for you to understand better :
     
    Male, 24 March
    http://i62.tinypic.com/2uoq2pd.png
     
    Male, 31 March
    http://i57.tinypic.com/2j4y2cg.png
     
    Female, 26 March
    http://i58.tinypic.com/b9hk6x.png
     
    Female, 28 March (begun Aloe);
    http://i61.tinypic.com/2mrw7ib.png
     
    Female, 29 March
    http://i59.tinypic.com/2iau0qv.png
     
    Female, 31 March
    http://i58.tinypic.com/2lwxdes.png
     
     
    Female, 1st April
    http://i61.tinypic.com/2mo8cqh.png

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    Default Re: Help, infected rostral abrasion on White Tree Frogs!

    If you are unable to get to a vet, I would go with the Baytril and SSD ( a tiny bit until the skin returns to normal)
    Good luck
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    Default Re: Help, infected rostral abrasion on White Tree Frogs!

    Quote Originally Posted by flybyferns View Post
    If you are unable to get to a vet, I would go with the Baytril and SSD ( a tiny bit until the skin returns to normal)
    Good luck
    Thank you so much Lynn I've begun to treat with SSD, yet the problem is that she wipes away almost all of the cream with her hands I hope a tiny layer staying attached anyhow, could be effective as well, but at the same time I'm worried I put too much cream, in attempt to smear it throughly... If this cream is safe enough (even on mouth area) I'll give plenty of it, on lesions. As to Baytril, I diluted it in her water dish, but she jumps out as soon as I'm trying to put her into... She's very ''plumpy'' and perhaps, as she's kept in dry enclosure, as soon as she feel need for water, she will head to it. I know Baytril dosages for iniections, but for bathing, do you know how should I dose it? Thank you again

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    Default Re: Help, infected rostral abrasion on White Tree Frogs!

    Hello again, she seems to worsen, and SSD seems to have actually ''expanded'' injuried areas on her head, after I stopped with Aloe gel; while her nose has become more red and ''bloody''...
    When I approach her to smear SSD or drop Baytril, she reacts violently, shrieks, jumps away.
    But I notice she opens/closes mouth, in such instances (I don't know if she does so otherwise).
    Any further treatment to try?
    Thank you All

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    Default Re: Help, infected rostral abrasion on White Tree Frogs!

    Sorry
    I don't know how baytril dosing is used for "bathing".
    I have used it only in drop form / for the systemic treatment of an infections ( prepared by wt for the frog)
    It important to use the SSD sparingly. A " a tiny bit" as mentioned.
    I really think you need to consult a vet.
    Last edited by flybyferns; April 5th, 2014 at 06:23 PM.
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    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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