Lumpy lips?

[Stephhyeahh]

Hi guys, I'm just wanting to know if anyone has come across this before? Lumps of all sizes on the lips of a Green Tree Frog? I did take it to the vet about a month ago and she said there's nothing in the skin for it to be causing any type of lump. Could it be from crickets? It is with 4 others and none appear to have these lumps either?

[Heatheranne]

Has he always had this lump?

[Stephhyeahh]

Nope, only in the past month, which I took him to the vet, she noticed nothing in or under the surface of the skin but the lumps have doubled even tripled in size with a black dot or line on it almost like a blackhead, a whole clump of them on his lips.

[Mentat]

Did veterinary sent a skin graft to lab and check for bacterial or other pathogens? Swelling usually indicates an infection is going on. If you can get Melafix (mild natural antibiotic) in pet shop fish area, can try giving frog a bath treatment with it. Mix it according to label and give frog two 15-20 minute bath daily in chin depth solution. Can also use solution in the frog's water dish and drip it over frog's back while it sleeps. Another option is to use a topical antibiotic ointment (plain Neosporin or Silver based) applied twice daily with Q-tip over affected area.

You should consider moving sick frog into a hospital like enclosure and be prepared to take additional sterilization measures if it proves itself contagious. Please answer below questions to see if there are other issues involved. Thank you !

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[kueluck]

I agree with Carlos in moving him to another tank. It almost looks like a bite that is getting infected. I wonder if a round of anti-biotic would help. Just follow up with pro-biotic after that though.

[Heatheranne]

Definitely sounds like its worsening. Try the Melafix. If it doesn't improve you'll need vet treatment such as antibiotics or anti fungal medication. It looks fungal to me. Did the vet do a culture?

[Stephhyeahh]

Thanks for all the responses! Okay, so when I took him too the vet, she took a sample of the skin where it looked to be a tad swollen at the time and put it under the microscope and nothing appeared there, she also took a swab and again nothing appeared. So its a bit odd. They only started off as scratches though... Hence why I think it could be due to the crickets he is eating. He is croaking, very active and is feeding well. I've had these frogs for almost 4 years and had nothing like this until recently. All substances, logs and fake plants have been the same, washed regularly. Maybe another trip to the vet is going to be needed.

[Heatheranne]

Can she prescribe you some slightly diluted Silver sulfadiazine cream? It will treat some bacterias and fungus. It's a topical cream which can be put on the area daily. Try not to get it into his mouth.

[Heatheranne]

You could also get panacur. It's an antiparasitic which can be dusted on his food one day a week for 4 weeks.

[Heatheranne]

These area my suggestions, though I am not a vet. In combination you should be able to help him. Did the vet send the swab for culture and sensitivities or just look under the scope?

[Stephhyeahh]

The vet took some skin where the scratches and lumps were starting to appear and looked under the microscope and found nothing. Although I have kept an eye on him and the lumps seem to be reducing in size, they don't seem to be affecting him what so ever.
Another question though, I have recently moved houses and where I'm located now, the climate is so much cooler than before, could someone recommend a heart source? And whats best? Thank you

[kueluck]

For heat I use red and or black light bulbs to heat the viv. I adjust the watts according to season. Any where from a 25W to a 60W.