What is this? Help. :(

[LiarDelilah]

So, I see my White's Tree Frog scooting along, using its back feet to try and push/flick this out. I don't know if hes ingested the paper towel at the bottom or he has some sort of a prolapse going on, but I'm kind of freaking out. He looks like hes going crazy trying to get it out (I would be, too), and I'm really tempted to pull it for him, but if its an organ..I would feel awful. No idea what to do, and really hoping this passes. Between this frog and my other frog, I'm having some really bad beginner's luck.

[Ratz]

Hi,

to me it looks rather like paper towel than a prolapse. But I think it's better to wait for the experts opinion bevore pulling it. Also, the frog came quite far on its own - you could wait for some hours and see if he makes progress in getting rid of it...
A bath could support him, as suggested e.g. for impactions (http://www.frogforum.net/pacman-frog...t-pooping.html)

Apart from that he looks like a healthy frog, hope he will be fine.

good luck!

[Silkmoth]

Touch it to see if its paper or not. If it is, give a very slow pull and see what happens.

[SqUaReJeLLy]

It also looks like a piece of paper towel to me too but I wouldn't pull on it. I would just soak the frog and hope the paper will start to fall apart and the frog will be able to pass it on it's own. Pulling on it could cause it to rip the skin or worse yet if it's wrapped on something inside it could really cause some serious damage. If it is a piece of paper towel it looks pretty big. How do you have the towel on the bottom that would allow the frog to eat that much of it? Maybe flatten it out some so the frog isn't able to grab at it so easily.

[Tongue Flicker]

Probably some undigested matter that it decided to pass out

[Mentat]

Recommend stop feeding this frog until it passes object. To help frog; prepare a solution using 80F dechlorinated tap water with honey. Place frog in a small critter keeper (or small plastic bowl with holed up top) and add water to it's chin level. Then add couple drops of honey, cover container with a towel and let frog be for 20 minutes. After 20 minutes you can decant out the solution and add 80F dechlorinated tap for a 20 minute rinse. If it passes object out, you are done. If not, repeat process daily until it does. Let us know if there any changes to frog condition, specially any swelling or color changes in vent area. Good luck .

[Heatheranne]

I hope he's okay. Carlos is right. If they don't know how to reduce the prolapse, the treatment is sugar or honey to draw the water out and allow it to shrink, hopefully allowing it to naturally retract back in. Also a nice warm honey or sugar soak should help the towel to fall off.

I hope he does okay. He looks pretty healthy otherwise and he's nice and round, so he should be able to withstand not eating for a bit.

If he makes it he should not have solid food for a couple days. After any prolapse internal swelling occurs and can cause an obstruction if he's fed too soon. He can do dilute pedialyte soaks for those few days. We can teach you how when the time comes.

Good luck! I really hope he pulls through.

[LiarDelilah]

Basically, I surrendered my rights to owning him and handed him over to the veterinary office. They will be caring for him, and his prolapse, and attempting to remove the paper towel from him by coaxing it out, but if his health declines, they will be euthanizing him. Either way, he's no longer mine.

[Mentat]

Basically, I surrendered my rights to owning him and handed him over to the veterinary office...

Sorry about that; did not know veterinary offices operated that strange (to me) way .

[LiarDelilah]

I've heard of it before. Same as if an animal control comes to a house that is a hoarding situation they may give up, or surrender their animals in the hopes of giving them a better chance. I was surprised they offered it, too.

[kueluck]

“Beginners Luck” should NOT be part of keeping frogs. Lack of research & poor decisions usually are the cause of health issues & death of frogs/toads & all creatures. Knowing that WTF's are aggressive eaters should have been enough to know that paper towel shouldn't be used in their tanks.

So, I see my White's Tree Frog scooting along, using its back feet to try and push/flick this out. I don't know if hes ingested the paper towel at the bottom or he has some sort of a prolapse going on, but I'm kind of freaking out. He looks like hes going crazy trying to get it out (I would be, too), and I'm really tempted to pull it for him, but if its an organ..I would feel awful. No idea what to do, and really hoping this passes. Between this frog and my other frog, I'm having some really bad beginner's luck.

[LiarDelilah]

Well gee, thanks?

[Andrew exotics]

Wow gail, she was trying to be safe by using paper towel,it was just a 1 in a thousand chance of this happening.So sorry about your frog Delilah,but even if your frog gets better you won't be able to get it back?What a tough decision

[LiarDelilah]

Wow gail, she was trying to be safe by using paper towel,it was just a 1 in a thousand chance of this happening.So sorry about your frog Delilah,but even if your frog gets better you won't be able to get it back?What a tough decision

I was doing what someone had suggested doing for a quarantine tank, I was told to line it with paper towel. Obviously I wouldn't have done this intentionally. :\. I don't think so, I pretty much signed it over, as they will be taking on the fees of its recovery/care or euthanasia if need be. I asked if he was in pain, obviously they couldnt gauge a frogs pain, and clearly I wouldn't have wanted to prolong it being in pain if that was the right thing. But they said they would be able to continue working at getting it out if I signed him over. So, I did. I figured I'd give him at least some chance in capable hands. They said he was possibly a little septic/sepsis given that his skin was so reddened. I will be calling to check on him tomorrow to get an update, but either way, won't be mine, but I'd still like the closure of knowing.

[taniaaust1]

Sorry to read of your frog, that's sad.

[Heatheranne]

Delilah, please don't feel as though you can't ask for help. We've all had our moments in learning.

The best thing to do is read around the forum and learn. You'll find better results from experienced people who have them than some articles posted in google.

We are here to help you and it's good to ask questions. Sometimes we see lots of posts by people who haven't done things quite right and we see various sick and injured frogs. We try our best to help teach and assist. Sometimes as frog people we get a bit overwhelmed. Please don't take it to heart. Our frustrations sometimes come out in our words.

The goal here is to teach so we can all be great frog caregivers and we can all enjoy them, happy and healthy .

[LiarDelilah]

I doubt I'll be asking for help anymore, I'll just do y own research, but I'm sure I will still be hanging around. Lots of good information on here. I did inevitably get another very little one (not too little, I know, I know.) The original looked sort of vulnerable being alone. So, they will be fed carefully now, in a bowl of entirely separately from the cage. They've been moved into the main enclosure with an actual substrate.


Thank you for the pair of you with kinder words.

[Heatheranne]

Try glass bowl feeding. Works great. Find a nice glass bowl of around 2 to 3" tall sides and place the crickets in. Nice little ones. Their food should be no larger than the distance between your frogs eyes. Then you'll know they can swallow them easily. Much less stress then if we handle them. I clean out my bowls with hot water and dry them during the day while the frogs are generally resting. I feed in the evening. Dust the crickets every other night lightly with calcium/vitamin D3 and one day a week with multivitamin, but not in the same day. Count and place the crickets in the bowl. They learn quickly.

Please do ask . It's ok. That's why we are here .

[LiarDelilah]

This was EXACTLY what I was going to do. I was already thinking at work that tonight I'd feed them in a glass bowl, or a bowl of some form so they can't get out. Definitely familiar with dusting and vitamins, I've had reptiles since I was a kid, so I am no stranger to crickets and the appropriate size. Much appreciated.

[Heatheranne]

Then in the am remove any uneaten crickets and feed the crickets. Clean your bowl. Repeat .

No risk of eating any substrate or anything they're not suppose to. Plus, you can see how many they've eaten. Works nicely.