Mystery diagnosis?

[LiarDelilah]

Hi,

In the 1st photo posted .....the area under the light green coloration looks swollen; but not in photo 2 and 3.
Were these photos taken taken on different days?
Could this be the result of a puncture?
Do you see anything on the light green spot that looks like a puncture that closed up? It would be very dark and small.

Missed this part. havent taken the frog out since, but looking through the glass, I see no puncture or abrasion. However, there IS one of my frogs, (not sure which one, didnt take note of it until it came to mind just now), that when it catches its food is all OVER the place. The one catches them gracefully, always on point, then there's one that flies after the food and often tumbles, which I wouldn't doubt for a minute may very well have been this one, and may have scratched himself? I will be observing a lot closer for sure. I cant do any major baking or cleansing of the MAIN cage (I have a final essay to write -today) but will today for sure at least in the hospital tank the concerned frog is in, be removing the coconut substrate and be replacing with paper towel and sanitize the water dish. Should I leave the fake plants to make it feel less stressed/more comfortable?

When I have time tomorrow I will definitely be overhauling the pairs main home tank and doing a hardcore cleanse on it, and its decor.

[flybyferns]

Missed this part. havent taken the frog out since, but looking through the glass, I see no puncture or abrasion. However, there IS one of my frogs, (not sure which one, didnt take note of it until it came to mind just now), that when it catches its food is all OVER the place. The one catches them gracefully, always on point, then there's one that flies after the food and often tumbles, which I wouldn't doubt for a minute may very well have been this one, and may have scratched himself? I will be observing a lot closer for sure. I cant do any major baking or cleansing of the MAIN cage (I have a final essay to write -today) but will today for sure at least in the hospital tank the concerned frog is in, be removing the coconut substrate and be replacing with paper towel and sanitize the water dish. Should I leave the fake plants to make it feel less stressed/more comfortable?

When I have time tomorrow I will definitely be overhauling the pairs main home tank and doing a hardcore cleanse on it, and its decor.

Dampened paper towel in a hospital enclosure is perfect.
All water should be de-chlorinated. (P towel and water dish)
A sprig of plant real or fake will help him.
You could also cover three sides of the tank to make him feel more secure in his hospital tank as there is added stress when they are moved.

Tell Dr Frye about the tumbling...this could be a Calcium deficiency.
Dust their crickets ( calcium supplement) more frequently.

You have not failed.
They may have come to you this way?
All of this is fixable

The frog with the green spot needs antibiotics.

If they were living together....leave the frog that is tumbling, when eating, in the main tank.
Feed him bowl method AND what he is used to. Bowl method: put his crickets in a wide /clear/ 3" high bowl.

Lynn

[Mentat]

Did you get both frogs at the same time? The tumbling and whole frog issues might be caused by exposure to chloramines in tap water. An infection could be a secondary development, due to toxins in body and a weakened immune system .

[LiarDelilah]

Yes, I got them both about a day apart. I got them both from my work (Petco), so they have lived together for some time. Really? You think low calcium? I've been fusing with calcium since I've got them, given that they're babies/juvenile and still growing.

Are you saying they SHOULD be together for feeding or remain separated as they are at the present?

[LiarDelilah]

Where do I contact Dr. Frye? The same paypal email that was recommended, or does he have another known preferred method?

[Mentat]

Where do I contact Dr. Frye? The same paypal email that was recommended, or does he have another known preferred method?

Here is his contact information: Milan Area Animal Hospital, David M. Frye, DVM, Veterinary services in Milan, MI, Home page.

[flybyferns]

Where do I contact Dr. Frye? The same paypal email that was recommended, or does he have another known preferred method?

http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html

email 1st -- see post #4 in this thread

[flybyferns]

Where do I contact Dr. Frye? The same paypal email that was recommended, or does he have another known preferred method?

Email 1st-----see post #4 in this thread.


http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-prepared.html

[LiarDelilah]

Update: contacted Dr. Frye. He thinks it's a possibility that it is a bacterial, or fungal infection, or a mix of the two. He will be sending baytril and silversufa. I really hope this works. I asked if the frogs should be separated, as e one is in isolation, he suggested that since they've lived together and raised together, it would be more stressful to keep them apart, and to treat the frog that is not showing signs with baytril unless any actual symptoms arise.

Now, I'm just left wondering if I can still use coconut fiber as a bedding for the pair of them and leave it planted or not, otherwise I have some deep cleaning to do while the other is in the hospital tank.

Thoughts? I'm a little paranoid about the naturalistic woods I have in there. Definitely have been decreasing their humidity, though.

[LiarDelilah]

Just went to fed them, and the frog in question now has this where the discoloration was. Ugh. I need these meds to get here quick. I don't know what's going on.

[Louis Charles Bruckner]

I think that this is a good sign.
The the frogs immune system is trying to fight the infection.
Now the frog looks better to me now.
The last picture the frogs color was very dark over all and that one area was a lighter color and a bit raised.
Now it is a bright green. To me mens that it is feeling better.
How is it acting, is it staying on the floor of the enclosure, or staying in its water dish?
Is it eating well. and has it had a BM lately?

[LiarDelilah]

I've noticed this, too. He remained his normal color of green, is having bowl movements and has continued to eat like a pig through all this. But in the picture I posted, on the left side of the face (his right) there are these dark marks that weren't there when my concern arose with the blotched color. Are these scabs? New wounds? I can get a better picture if need be.