My Waxy Tree Frog Died

[Lija]

So sorry for your loss

lots of things can have been gone wrong here. Is the frog in your avatar the one you lost?
would you have pics of your frog?
Would you please answer questions of the trouble in the enclosure. This way we can over and see if there were any problems to avoid in the future.
What you describe is not really typical, it might have been excessive shedding, either way lets try to figure that out.

And to answer to your question, yes they love company of their own.

[Lija]

Those are the questions.



1-size of enclosure
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ?)
3-humidity
4-temp
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
6-materials used for substrate
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv
8-main food source
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often )
10-lighting
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
12-when is the last time he ate
13-have you found poop lately
14-a pic would be great ( including the frog ) any little cell phone pic is fine
15- how old is the frog
16-how long have you owned him
17- is the frog wild caught or captive bred
18- frog food- how often and if its diverse what other feeders are used as treats
19- about how often the frog is handled
20-is the enclosure is kept in a high or low traffic area


If I have left anything out, please feel free to chime in !
Lynn -AND -- Thank You Grif !!!!!!!!

[Kay]

Those are the questions.



1-size of enclosure 16 x 16 x 20
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ?) he was alone
3-humidity I don't remember the #s for this and question 4; however, they were what they were supposed to be b/c I monitored the thermometer and hygrometer often. I knew at the time what the humdity and temperature where supposed to be.
4-temp
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish distilled water
6-materials used for substrate coconut husk
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv - live plants, and I used the Exo-Terra Jungle Vine for all his climbing. I would just have opened the packages and put them in the terrarium.
8-main food source live crickets
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often )I don't remember any vitamins or calcium. I would have put calcium on the crickets he ate.
10-lighting a UV bulb
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure I also used a basking bulb that gave off heat. If the temperature starting rising, I would remove it.
12-when is the last time he ate he had eaten the night before
13-have you found poop lately there was poop in his terrarium when he died. i would clean it out weekly.
14-a pic would be great ( including the frog ) any little cell phone pic is fine my avatar is a picture of him. I have other pictures too.
15- how old is the frog He was about 15 months old when he died
16-how long have you owned him I owned him for one year when he died
17- is the frog wild caught or captive breed captive bred; I bought him at a Repticon show
18- frog food- how often and if its diverse what other feeders are used as treat At the time he died he was eating every other day. He only ate crickets. However, if there was some type of work he ate, I would have given him some of those too from time to time. He died over a year ago, so it is hard for me to remembers these details.
19- about how often the frog is handled I probably only handled him for the picture in the avatar
20-is the enclosure is kept in a high or low traffic area my kitchen snack bar, with me in the area all the time.


If I have left anything out, please feel free to chime in !
Lynn -AND -- Thank You Grif !!!!!!!!

Thank you for your help. If you need any other information, let me know.

[Kay]

This is him sitting in his water bowl at night. Sorry it is turned sideways, but I cannot figure out how to rotate it. I will have to transfer some pictures, but I have more I will post.

[Kay]

These are all around the same time. The one on the right is the same as my avatar but I thought it might come out clearer. I see I did have some wood -- it would be oak and I would have soaked it in very hot water before I used it.

[Kay]

So sorry for your loss

lots of things can have been gone wrong here. Is the frog in your avatar the one you lost Yes, when first got him. He was supposed to be two months old.
would you have pics of your frog? I do have others pictures. Most of them are like my avatar. I probably have a couple at night time pictures.
Would you please answer questions of the trouble in the enclosure. This way we can over and see if there were any problems to avoid in the future.
What you describe is not really typical, it might have been excessive shedding, either way lets try to figure that out.

And to answer to your question, yes they love company of their own.

​I gave information about the enclosure in the first reply. If you need additional information, please let me know.

[Lija]

That is not waxy in your avatar, it is a bit too small and blurry but it looks like Ph tomopterna or tiger leg monkey frog. Waxy frogs Ph sauvagii are different and need completely different environment. I just wanted to clarify, so if you have more pics it would be great.

[Kay]

That is not waxy in your avatar, it is a bit too small and blurry but it looks like Ph tomopterna or tiger leg monkey frog. Waxy frogs Ph sauvagii are different and need completely different environment. I just wanted to clarify, so if you have more pics it would be great.

The man who sold it to me said it was a monkey tree frog indigenous to Paraguay. Later someone told me that a monkey tree frog and a waxy tree frog were the same. I saw him spreading something on his body. It was if he was coating his body with something and I read that waxy tree frogs do that. Whatever substance came out of his body (before he died) was a white, opague, gooey substance. I will get the pictures and post them.

[DigitalPunk]

I saw him spreading something on his body.

He could of been shedding. When frogs shed they rub their front legs and back legs on their body to help with the shedding.

From a google search I would say he was a Monkey frog, but I can't be sure. He doesn't look like a Waxy to me.

[poison]

Yeah thats a waxy sauvagii

I can see why Lija would think other wise though. Never seen a sauvagii with orange on it. And I've seen lots of babies. Or at least I've never noticed it.

[poison]

The man who sold it to me said it was a monkey tree frog indigenous to Paraguay. Later someone told me that a monkey tree frog and a waxy tree frog were the same.

Just to clarify. Pretty much all of the species in the genus "Phyllomedusa" are commonly referred to as "monkey tree frogs". Not all monkey frogs are waxy's.

Tiger leg monkey tree frog

Super tiger leg monkey tree frog

Giant waxy monkey tree frog

Waxy monkey tree frog

And there are lots of others.

[Lija]

Nope, that is not sauvagii the frog looks like sauvagii in second and third pic, but last pic clearly shows it is not, sauvagii dont have any orange color anywhere. I would like to see clear shot that would show belly and legs stretched, but from what i see here it looks like phyllomedusa vaillanti or white lined leaf monkey frog. It also smaller then sauvagii should be.

One way or another it is too late for him now if you would want to get another we sure can help you set up everything for him.

[poison]

Nope, that is not sauvagii the frog looks like sauvagii in second and third pic, but last pic clearly shows it is not, sauvagii dont have any orange color anywhere. I would like to see clear shot that would show belly and legs stretched, but from what i see here it looks like phyllomedusa vaillanti or white lined leaf monkey frog. It also smaller then sauvagii should be.

One way or another it is too late for him now if you would want to get another we sure can help you set up everything for him.

Not saying you're wrong but I'm seeing a sauvagii.

This frog doesn't have the spike like crests going down the sides of its body that vaillanti's have. Its also has the toe pads like a sauvagii and not the wide tree frog pads that most have.