Exo-Terra Calcium liquid supplement conditioner questions

[StickyFrogfeet]

How many drops do you add to one gallon jug ? I dont want to use too much and is it safe to use all the time for his water bowl.he's a whites tree frog, about 7 years old by the way..i noticed he's been having some muscles tremors and leg streching out I got him this for now and plan to take him to the vet as soon as i can =/ been a bad few months for him.

[ariesheiress]

The water/drops ratio should be on the bottle of conditioner. I use Repti-safe (without calcium) to de-chlorinate my froggy's water and it calls for something like 5-7 drops per gallon. I have never used more than a drop at a time for their Jacuzzi, which holds roughly 2.5 measuring cups of water. You could alternatively treat the entire gallon of water and use it as needed, which would be the same thing. Again, check the instructions on the bottle/box to be sure that you are treating the water correctly.

The other part of your post mentions that he is having muscle tremors and other issues. I am not sure buying water conditioner with a calcium supplement is going a substitute for the vet at this point.

I hope your froggy feels better soon!

[StickyFrogfeet]

The aqua safe i use for reptiles and amphibians is 10drops to a gallon, this stuff is 2 drops per 1floz, so i guess it would be easier to just treat his dish. But anyway its the end of the month I wasnt substituting this for a vet visit i was getting this to see if it would help try and ease his muscles until i could make a vet visit until i could get paid. Over night he is already looking way better but I am still going to make that appointment.

[Mentat]

Body tremors point to a neurological problem that could be caused by a calcium deficiency... or not. Can you tell us more about frog's diet and supplement intake the last couple months? Also, please describe the water you use in his dish (source and treatments) and how frequently you change it. Thank you !

[StickyFrogfeet]

I dust his crickets about 3 times a week and the crickets get oats carrots lettuce and cabbage. he just went through an impaction last month and he is having a problem now again with eating anything again he isnt blocked up. I have been doing honey baths pedialyte I am to the point were i am about to mush up crickets and feed him in a syringe. I am very broke and the only herp vet doesnt take payment so i have to wait till pay day. the water i use is tap with the other water conditioner i have is tertafauna aquasafe for reptiles and amphibians i use that in his bowl and for misting,I change his water every day.his whole body doesnt tremble just his legs and sometimes he stretches out a little and he wiggles his hands a little but sometimes i cant tell if he's nervous sometimes or something. But he seems to be doing much better and more alert after soaking in the calcium conditioner.

[flybyferns]

You are dusting often enough ......as long as he is eating the feeders?
How do you feed him ?.....do they roam free or do you feed him in a 'feeding bowl' ?

A photo of him would help .... We love to meet 'new frogs'

Tell us about him:

1-size of enclosure
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ?)
3-humidity
4-temp
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
6-materials used for substrate
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv
8-main food source
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often ) brand? vitamins -brand?
10-lighting
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
12-when is the last time he ate
13-have you found poop lately
14-a pic would be great ( including the frog ) any little cell phone pic is fine
15- how old is the frog
16-how long have you owned him
17- is the frog wild caught or captive bred
18- frog food- how often and if it's diverse what other feeders are used as treats
19- how often the frog is handled
20-is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
21- describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)
22- has or was the frog properly quarantined

[Mentat]

I dust his crickets about 3 times a week and the crickets get oats carrots lettuce and cabbage...

Can't remember where in FF I read this; but a member (think maybe Colleen/Jerrod or Lija) stated not to feed cabbage to crickets destined as frog food . Apparently there is something in cabbage that is not good for frogs. I feed mine romaine lettuce instead !

[StickyFrogfeet]

1-size of enclosure-20gallon
2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ?)-1
3-humidity-60%
4-temp-75degreesday 60 at night
5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish- treated for both soaking and misting
6-materials used for substrate-paper towels
7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv-soaking dish bromeliad and a rock and branch
8-main food source-crickets and earth worms
9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often ) brand? vitamins -brand?fluckers with vitamind3 3 times a week
10-lighting
11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure-heating pad in his 20g
12-when is the last time he ate~-1-30-14
13-have you found poop lately-he hasnt been eating i mushed crickets and fed him through a small med dropper tonight
14-a pic would be great ( including the frog ) any little cell phone pic is fine
15- how old is the frog -7years
16-how long have you owned him-7years
17- is the frog wild caught or captive bred-CB
18- frog food- how often and if it's diverse what other feeders are used as treats-meal worms
19- how often the frog is handled-to clean or give him honey or pedialye baths or meds
20-is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area-low
21- describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)-paper towel when soiled water every day
22- has or was the frog properly quarantined

[StickyFrogfeet]

I read that cabbage was ok but I have to go to the store to food shop for next months groceries pick him up more honey and some romaine lettuce.

[StickyFrogfeet]

The calcium is helping he hasnt shook or had any trembles since i gave him liquid calcium baths he hasnt had the urge to eat, i am continuing his baths and the cricket mush until his vet visit, also going to get more nightcrawlers.But he is doing well. I know his numbers are off and the 20gallon is just his hospital tank he lives in an exoterra 18x18x24 with the correct heat lamp.thanks for all your help again.

[flybyferns]

Hi Lindy,

You take very good care of him
I read this thread over very carefully ...specifically ... the answers to the enclosures questions.
I realize he's not a youngster and has obviously adapted to his environment for 7 years with your loving care.

I do have one thought that comes to mind.
The daytime temp is low....according to 99 % of the whites care sheets one might read.
They don't differ much in recommending the day temp be 85 degrees F.

I think he would digest his food more effectively if the temp were higher.
Having said that, I would make a change very, very slowly.....so he ( and you ) are able to adjust to it.
Rational........better digestion will enhance better nutrition and more absorption of his supplements etc.

Temps that are too low are often an explanation for the lack of appetite and digestive issues.

Thoughts?

[StickyFrogfeet]

yeah i figured it was the temp too but i was afraid to move him back to the regular cage because he stared to throw up, i wasnt sure what was wrong it has been really cold this winter. I might have to try and slowly increase the temps for him i have been having a lot of problems with that.the hospital tank has a weird lid and i thought the lamp might melt it but i'll see if i can rig something up. but fed him more cricket mush and he's been really active. he has an appointment next week with the vet.

[StickyFrogfeet]

see he has the correct temps in the regular tank but only showed the eating problem after he got better from his last impaction after i fed some crickets flukers cricket feed calcium plus stuff. after i fed it to him it was too late i noticed crickets started dieing and then he started throwing up and boom he was sick again.maybe its the temp changes from hospital to other cage i guess.. i dont know guess i need to get hospital tank temps in better range never the less to normal range slowly. but as for the flukers stuff i just bought it and i dont know whats wrong with it but i am not using it no more.out of the 7 years i have had Glenn this is the first time he has been this sick poor little fella =(