hi guys thanks for the reply, just to follow up, i stayed up last night as long as i could keeping an eye on him and dripping water on him so he could stay hydrated, i woke up this morning and hes gone. i do think i was a spinal /backbone injury, it sucks it was so late at night when it happend all my hep vets were closed, plan was to take him in the morning if he wasn't any better.... thanks for the reply