Need advice-panacur- KURT, EBONY or other experts please weigh in

[SludgeMunkey]

All the Panacur I have come across has been liquid, including the stuff I have.

I too was unaware there was a commercial liquid suspension available, given that fenbenzadole is non-soluble. I have always worked with the powder and created suspensions to administer doses.

I am a cheapskate so I always purchased the "horse" sized packet online. I never used the powder for dusting of food insects as the insolubility results in a risk of blocking breathing passages.(Keep in mind I was working with true chameleons!) For small specimens I always "inflated" a properly sized cricket with a liquid suspension of roughly one milligram to 30 milliliters of water.

With my amphibians, I still use the cricket method whenever possible. On large amphibians, I administer the dose orally dependent on body weight using a graduated plastic pipette.

As to the safety of the drug to amphibians, well, last I heard the information was non-existent.

As Panacur is an effective treatment against Hydroids in aquaria, this topic came up well over a year ago on Caudata.org. I have since only used Panacur in cases where I was absolutely sure of a worm infection as a result of a positive fecal analysis. (I do get bored of poking through tiny turds under a stereo microscope!)

[Paul Rust]

I do get bored of poking through tiny turds under a stereo microscope!)

I probably have way too much time on my hands

[bellk]

Pictures, soon. I promise! I tried to take some last night but I had the flash off so they wouldn't stress and they came out fuzzy (the pics, not the frogs lol). I haven't named them yet so once I post pictures on here- I am going to request input from y'all for names. To me they seem like boys- but I have no scientific basis to that. They just seem like boys!

Ok, so I know I am over thinking- but I just love these guys so much. The pedialyte- one of them is still pretty skittish, so won't he just jump out of the solution? How would y'all deal with that?

Thanks and sorry I am so worrisome lol

Kam

[Paul Rust]

Pictures, soon. I promise! I tried to take some last night but I had the flash off so they wouldn't stress and they came out fuzzy (the pics, not the frogs lol). I haven't named them yet so once I post pictures on here- I am going to request input from y'all for names. To me they seem like boys- but I have no scientific basis to that. They just seem like boys!

Ok, so I know I am over thinking- but I just love these guys so much. The pedialyte- one of them is still pretty skittish, so won't he just jump out of the solution? How would y'all deal with that?

Thanks and sorry I am so worrisome lol

Kam

LOL, put enough in the bowl so he can keep his head above the liquid and put another bowl over the top so he can't jump out. He is probably just fine, don't worry so much. As long as they are eating and not freaking out they are probably fine.

[bellk]

Sorry, sorry- one more thing! Do I water down the pedialyte or just give it to him straight?

[Paul Rust]

Sorry, sorry- one more thing! Do I water down the pedialyte or just give it to him straight?

Straight out of the bottle. He is only going to be in it for a few minutes 30 minutes max. Don't be sorry for asking questions That's what we are all here for, to learn

[Kurt]

Use a properly sized deli cup for medicated baths.

[bellk]

success! i put them in the brand new clean container with the pedialyte for about 7 minutes. they were okay with it. then i fed them- 5 crickets a piece! they are greedy little suckers! once again, i tried to take pictures but they don't do them justice. i'll try to take them in the day time so y'all can see how awesome they are.

y'all are great!

Kam

[Paul Rust]

Sweet, that is great Kam. You are going to be a good mom for them

[bellk]

Hey guys! I have tried to attach pics of the frogs. Could you check out the small wound (I think) on one of the little guys backs? Advice? I think he scratched his skin somehow.

Also, one of them began croaking today- doesn't that mean he is a boy? I am not sure which one croaked though.

Thanks a lot!

[Tropicok]

Well, I learned something today on this topic. Now I have a question of my own....Can amphibians absorb parasite medicine through their skin? Someone told me to put several drops of diluted Panacur on the skin on their backs. So is this true or not?

[Paul Rust]

Well, I learned something today on this topic. Now I have a question of my own....Can amphibians absorb parasite medicine through their skin? Someone told me to put several drops of diluted Panacur on the skin on their backs. So is this true or not?

This is true. However, it is critical not to overdose with this method. You need to dissolve 25mg/kg of bodyweight. As you can see it is difficult to dose with frogs that only weigh 2 or 3 grams. I have only used this method in extreme cases when I felt I was losing the battle. Kurt uses liquid Fenbendazole and might be able to share how to dose it without having to dissolve the powder preperation. I prefer the dusting method, you don't have to be precise.