R/O water for substrate and soaking bowl

[MikeIsGreen]

Bought this at Walmart few minutes ago and have water clearing up now the. I'm changing everything and leaving out the sphagnum. I also just noticed the red around his eyes is turning brown...is this something to concerned about? I assume yes but he now looks more like the other green pacman I've seen

[kueluck]

Don't panic RO is ok, I use it on my frogs/toads when I'm warming water for tea and have left over to add to their cold water. Been doing this for over 2 years now. I also found this on Josh's Frog site.
Filtration for pet Reptiles and Amphibians | Josh's Frogs
(R/O) water purification systems remove impurities from your tap water, rendering it safe to you with your pet reptiles and amphibians. Minerals, harmful chemicals, chlorine, and much more is removed from your water after it is forced through a membrane. Reverse Osmosis systems are easy to install and use. Josh's Frogs strongly suggests using water purified by a reverse osmosis system for misting and drinking water.

[MikeIsGreen]

Kueluck thank you very much for that!! Seriously I was really panicing..I was wrong about the color loss which is strange because it must've just been the angle/light I was in. I got him/her all setup now and he didn't even panic like when I brought him home. He kinda wandered around checking things out, pooped, and made himself a nook in the nice, fresh substrate. Here is a way better pic of the lil guy. I'm off to do more research and re re read the link provided earlier. Take it easy everyone!

[GrifTheGreat]

R/O is not safe for anything but misting. I don't care what Josh from Josh's frogs said. The only difference between distilled water and R/O water is the process in which it is collected neither contain minerals or salts essential for proper hydration and body function. Burrowing frogs need water that contains minerals and salts or else they eventually become sick and die. R/O water and distilled water steal minerals and electrolytes from the frog which is what eventually kills it. Treated Tap water seems to work best and should be used for their water dish and substrate saturation. Distilled and R/O for misting or foggers.

There are many threads here with questions of which water to use and many who come with sick frogs who have been using distilled water or R/O water for everything. That is why their frog was sick.

[kueluck]

Not questioning your input on this, but how can a reputable deal have this info on there site and be incorrect? Or does it differ from darts to pac? I don't have either type of frog, and I only use fresh rain water that I collect on the frog/toads that I do keep? I'm just curious on the info that is out there. The internet is SO confusing at times.

R/O is not safe for anything but misting. I don't care what Josh from Josh's frogs said. The only difference between distilled water and R/O water is the process in which it is collected neither contain minerals or salts essential for proper hydration and body function. Burrowing frogs need water that contains minerals and salts or else they eventually become sick and die. R/O water and distilled water steal minerals and electrolytes from the frog which is what eventually kills it. Treated Tap water seems to work best and should be used for their water dish and substrate saturation. Distilled and R/O for misting or foggers.

There are many threads here with questions of which water to use and many who come with sick frogs who have been using distilled water or R/O water for everything. That is why their frog was sick.

[GrifTheGreat]

Not questioning your input on this, but how can a reputable deal have this info on there site and be incorrect? Or does it differ from darts to pac? I don't have either type of frog, and I only use fresh rain water that I collect on the frog/toads that I do keep? I'm just curious on the info that is out there. The internet is SO confusing at times.

He doesn't focus strictly on Pacman Frogs. They spend 24 hours a day 7 days a week burrowed in the substrate. If it is saturated with pure water then it steals their vitamins and minerals. It is no different than using that water for their soaking dish which is not to be done. So if its not ok to use that kind of water for saoking then why in turn would it be safe to use for the substrate too? The frog will lose valuable salts, electrolytes, and minerals, become ill and die. There are far more experienced breeders that can back that up. Philippe de Vosjoli would be one of those breeders. In the world of Horned Frogs he is who most look to for how to house their Pacman's. There is a lot of conflicting info out there and so many disagree with their care, but some things have to be learned the hard way like not dechlorinating bottled water and assuming that it does not contain chlorine.

John has a good thread somewhere here on the forum that compares the various water type available. These are not tree frogs that pend their time up off the ground. The stayed burrowed for days and the constant exposure to that kind of water is fatal. This happenes over a long period of time, but eventually the frog succumbs to the imbalances in its system. Many become bloated once they get sick.

I'm not trying to start a conflict, but I can assure you that it is not ok for these frogs. Distilled and R/O are both pure water with nothing in it unless minerals and salts are added. It will literally leach the life from them.

Here is John's post. http://www.frogforum.net/vivarium-te...hing-else.html

[MikeIsGreen]

Man im really glad I switched his substrate. The last thing I wanna do is hurt him or cause him harm.. I'm still not sure how many crickets he should be eating per day and when I should put them in with him? I've been putting 4 in there when his light turns off and then a couple more before bed then couple more when I wake up before his light turns off. Is this too much? Not enough? Thanks again guys

[kueluck]

Great points made on the 24/7. Always learning here on FF

He doesn't focus strictly on Pacman Frogs. They spend 24 hours a day 7 days a week burrowed in the substrate. If it is saturated with pure water then it steals their vitamins and minerals. It is no different than using that water for their soaking dish which is not to be done. So if its not ok to use that kind of water for saoking then why in turn would it be safe to use for the substrate too? The frog will lose valuable salts, electrolytes, and minerals, become ill and die. There are far more experienced breeders that can back that up. Philippe de Vosjoli would be one of those breeders. In the world of Horned Frogs he is who most look to for how to house their Pacman's. There is a lot of conflicting info out there and so many disagree with their care, but some things have to be learned the hard way like not dechlorinating bottled water and assuming that it does not contain chlorine.

John has a good thread somewhere here on the forum that compares the various water type available. These are not tree frogs that pend their time up off the ground. The stayed burrowed for days and the constant exposure to that kind of water is fatal. This happenes over a long period of time, but eventually the frog succumbs to the imbalances in its system. Many become bloated once they get sick.

I'm not trying to start a conflict, but I can assure you that it is not ok for these frogs. Distilled and R/O are both pure water with nothing in it unless minerals and salts are added. It will literally leach the life from them.

Here is John's post. http://www.frogforum.net/vivarium-te...hing-else.html