New little addition

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Both are correct species.

Thanks Grif I thought they both were but it's good to get expert help. Was wondering of you knew the size the aurita could get to, I know there's a lot of speculation about it. I ve got an ornate and she's pretty big just wondering if it could get bigger or around the same size.

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Thanks Grif I thought they both were but it's good to get expert help. Was wondering of you knew the size the aurita could get to, I know there's a lot of speculation about it. I ve got an ornate and she's pretty big just wondering if it could get bigger or around the same size.

There are 5 subspecies of aurita. One is the Giant, but the other 4 are smaller. Nearly all that are found for sale are the smaller subspecies only reaching 4" to 6" SVL. I've never seen the Giant aurita for sale, but that doesn't mean they can't be around. I have 2 aurita and they are not giant.

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There are 5 subspecies of aurita. One is the Giant, but the other 4 are smaller. Nearly all that are found for sale are the smaller subspecies only reaching 4" to 6" SVL. I've never seen the Giant aurita for sale, but that doesn't mean they can't be around. I have 2 aurita and they are not giant.

Wow I never knew that can you tell what subspecies they are by looking at them. Do you get different subspecies of the other species of horned frog as well.

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Wow I never knew that can you tell what subspecies they are by looking at them. Do you get different subspecies of the other species of horned frog as well.

There is so much color variation in each subspecies it is nearly impossible to tell them apart. There are not really any subspecies per say of the other Horned Frogs. Cranwelli have two variations in the wild Green and Brown. The Green cranwelli are from the wetter regions of the Grand Chaco and the Brown from dryer areas. All the color morphs of C. cranwelli you find are from years of line breeding and some are not even natural like the Samurai Blue, but interesting nonetheless.

Ornata have a few color variations in the wild, but theirs doesn't depend on the dry or wet conditions. They are mostly found in wet forests and flooded grasslands of Agentina. Wild caught specimens look completely different than CB. Ornata only have a few morphs and most are due to line breeding like the solid dark red morph. No subspecies thty I know of.

The other species have even less variation and no known subspecies. At least not to me. C. cornuta has 4 color morphs that can occur naturally. Green, Brown, Purple, and Orange.

There are some SubCeratophrys species like Chacophrys peirottii also known as the Chacoan Burrowing Frog. Interesting fact about this frog is that unlike the Horned Frogs it burrows head first.

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I find all of this kind of stuff really interesting int the reason I went to uni and did a zoology degree. Where have you found out about it all on the internet or is there some books that go into it I be read all the usually books on horned frogs. Also find the behaviour of the different species interesting but I guess that also depends on the individual frog. I am sure I read a post by you some time ago about feeding response in aurita being strong like in ornate. Mines eating fine but prefers to stay out of sight a lot

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I find all of this kind of stuff really interesting int the reason I went to uni and did a zoology degree. Where have you found out about it all on the internet or is there some books that go into it I be read all the usually books on horned frogs. Also find the behaviour of the different species interesting but I guess that also depends on the individual frog. I am sure I read a post by you some time ago about feeding response in aurita being strong like in ornate. Mines eating fine but prefers to stay out of sight a lot

I forgot to mention that there is a Stolzmanni subspecies - the Stolzmanni Scaphiopeza, which was recognized by Peters in. 1967. There is ver little information on them as this is one of the least studdied species. From my understanding, the main difference is location with one being in a green "tropical scrub" area of Ecuador and the other being in a drier, sandy area of Peru. It is logical to presume that the green stolzmanni comefrom the wetter area and the brown from the drier area (similar to the Cranwelli), but I have no scientific proof of that.

I get some information from books, some from other people in the hobby, and a lot from scientific articles. Overall though, there is a frustrating lack of research on these amazing frogs. Articles often conclude with "needs more research" or "information not validated." :-(

This is one of many reasons I enjoy watching the species first hand. I now have 5 of the 8 species. Someday I hope to have all of them. I find it fascinating to note differences in behavior and physical form. Although you can make general stereotypes about each species, I find that individual personality tends to trump those.

Best of luck with your new additions! Be sure to keep us updated and share lots of pictures!

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Thanks for all the info. I ve got 4 species now need to find more room so I can have more they are one of the best animals I be had. Will keep putting pictures up as they grow. Have a good Christmas.