Updated frog 1st aid guide!

[Paul Rust]

Here is an updated version of my Frog First Aid Guide.

[scribbles]

Very helpful, thank you.

[Paul Rust]

Very helpful, thank you.

Your welcome Haley, I hope it serves you well.

[Jace]

Very informative, Paul, thanks for sharing it.

[Buck Rogers]

Fantastic, thanks so much for this!

[Paul Rust]

Fantastic, thanks so much for this!

You all are very welcome, I wanted something out there that was easy to understand and use. I'm glad you like it. Thank you.

[John]

How about turning this into an article like the care articles?

[Paul Rust]

How about turning this into an article like the care articles?

Absolutely John. If it's ok the way it is go for it. If you need changes just let me know.

[Ebony]

Brilliant Paul. This will be very helpful to many people and frogs. Fantastic job.

[Paul Rust]

Thank you Ebony. I keep it handy 'cause when I'm freakin' out about a sick frog I can't remember all this stuff. I use it like a flow chart to pinpoint the problem. You forgot your froggy, here ya go

[tgampper]

Thanks, Paul. The guide is a great resource!

[Paul Rust]

Thanks, Paul. The guide is a great resource!

Thank you very much Terry. I am glad it is has been so well received.

[Herpvet]

Here is an updated version of my Frog First Aid Guide.

Hello Paul,

Thanks for that.

With respect, I do have a couple of major comments/suggestions from a veterinary viewpoint.

First, and probably most important, you do not seem to specify drug doses/formulations? Various preparations of baytril and flagyl, for example, are available, and unless you specify either dose in mg/kg, or at least the concentration of drug which you are using then some unsuspecting owner might use either a lethal or completely ineffective dose. Similarly I believe there are "neosporin" preparations which contain local anaesthetics, which could be fatal for amphibians.

I assume from the lack of variable doses you provide (for weight of animal) that you are talking about a particular size(type?) of frog? Again, this should perhaps be made clear.

I would also take issue with the recommendation of injecting a simple solution of MS 222 - this would injecting a fairly strong acid in the animal's body! It must be buffered before use.

I would also respectfully suggest that, if feasible, getting the animal to a vet for appropriate diagnostics should be advised at the top of such a sheet. Most of the symptom you associate with specific diseases, to a greater or lesser extent, can have other causes which should be considered.

Hope this helps,

Bruce.

[Paul Rust]

Hello Paul,

Thanks for that.

With respect, I do have a couple of major comments/suggestions from a veterinary viewpoint.

First, and probably most important, you do not seem to specify drug doses/formulations? Various preparations of baytril and flagyl, for example, are available, and unless you specify either dose in mg/kg, or at least the concentration of drug which you are using then some unsuspecting owner might use either a lethal or completely ineffective dose. Similarly I believe there are "neosporin" preparations which contain local anaesthetics, which could be fatal for amphibians.

I assume from the lack of variable doses you provide (for weight of animal) that you are talking about a particular size(type?) of frog? Again, this should perhaps be made clear.

I would also take issue with the recommendation of injecting a simple solution of MS 222 - this would injecting a fairly strong acid in the animal's body! It must be buffered before use.

I would also respectfully suggest that, if feasible, getting the animal to a vet for appropriate diagnostics should be advised at the top of such a sheet. Most of the symptom you associate with specific diseases, to a greater or lesser extent, can have other causes which should be considered.

Hope this helps,

Bruce.

Thank you Bruce for looking at this. I am pretty much on my own out here. All the methods I suggest are for emergency treatments that I have had success with. The vet recommendation at the beginning is a great idea, I will do that. I will also clarify the preparations that I used. As for MS-222, the method I talk about is for euthanasia and the animal has passed before the injection is complete. Do you feel it should be bufferred for this purpose and if so how would you prepare it? Again, thank you very much for the help.

EDIT: I want this to be a usable and acurate resource for this community. If you want to take it and make corrections from your experience please feel free to do so. Please PM Paul for his e-mail address. Please include your name and title so I can give you credit.

[Herpvet]

Thank you Bruce for looking at this. I am pretty much on my own out here. All the methods I suggest are for emergency treatments that I have had success with. The vet recommendation at the beginning is a great idea, I will do that. I will also clarify the preparations that I used. As for MS-222, the method I talk about is for euthanasia and the animal has passed before the injection is complete. Do you feel it should be bufferred for this purpose and if so how would you prepare it? Again, thank you very much for the help.

EDIT: I want this to be a usable and acurate resource for this community. If you want to take it and make corrections from your experience please feel free to do so. You can email it to me to look at. Please include your name and title so I can give you credit.

Hi Paul,

Difficult to be sure of painful effect, of course, but erring on the side of caution I would buffer it (equal amount of sodium bicarbonate to that of MS 222 usually ok, although some places say twice as much sodium bicarb as MS 222).

Sorry to be so pedantic - I know it's easy (I've done it myself) to forget that other countries (or even people in your country) may routinely think of a different preparation to the one you usually use. (I'd make some mutterings about "American" English at this point but probably best not ).

Hope this helps,

Bruce.

[Paul Rust]

Hi Paul,

Difficult to be sure of painful effect, of course, but erring on the side of caution I would buffer it (equal amount of sodium bicarbonate to that of MS 222 usually ok, although some places say twice as much sodium bicarb as MS 222).

Sorry to be so pedantic - I know it's easy (I've done it myself) to forget that other countries (or even people in your country) may routinely think of a different preparation to the one you usually use. (I'd make some mutterings about "American" English at this point but probably best not ).

Hope this helps,

Bruce.

LOL... Thanks so much for your input.